Would you be willing to sit Cam an entire season and see how he does after?

[JARROD]

49 minutes ago, GeorgeHanson said:

Cam is on record saying playing in the league isn't the be-all end-all for him, simply a path to iconic entertainer status....he probably doesn't want another long term contract.

to be fair-- thats not what he said when he was waiting to be drafted-- he said he wanted to be the best football player, best quarterback, entertainer, an icon.

And why not?  Look at Michael Jordan or Michael Strahan,... play great,. do great,.. and have a direction to go afterwards instead of disappearing like so many do.  Whats wrong with that?  A career can be ended any moment-- while it lasts its good to build a brand around yourself. Cam is doing that.

When we all hear him come out and say NOW that hes not focused on football and just focused on his next career,.. lost desire to play or something, then we can all go after him-- but not today.

 

[top dawg]

If it takes an entire season. I don't really see another realistic answer. 

No one knows what's exactly wrong with his shoulder (hell, he said that he doesn't), so until there is a diagnosis there really can't be a prognosis. To say that you aren't willing to let him heal means that you're taking it for granted that he will heal before next season (even though you don't know what's wrong with him), or that you are simply ready to move on. Be true! Which is it? 

Due to the lack of clarity about his situation, I think that it's quite logical to prepare for either-or scenario as soon as possible by considering options at QB.

Moreover, I personally think that true competition is a good thing. If Cam's truly the man, whenever he gets 100 percent healthy, then he should be able to beat out any upstarts or another experienced vet (e.g. Nick Foles) quite handily. But, that wouldn't stop me from hedging my bets.

[ncfan]

Nkt reading the 9 pages

But to answer the OP

Yes

Its NOT easy to replace a franchise QB.    If there is any sort of thought that Cam can make a Luck like comeback

Yes, 100% do it

 

BUT

If we do.  We need to really focus on shoring up the D and bringing in a solid vet QB who will hit the market on a prove it deal.  Because O still want to be competitive.  We have seen PLENTY of teams win with a avg QB, good D, and solid weapons on offense.  

[GeorgeHanson]

1 hour ago, JARROD said:

to be fair-- thats not what he said when he was waiting to be drafted-- he said he wanted to be the best football player, best quarterback, entertainer, an icon.

And why not?  Look at Michael Jordan or Michael Strahan,... play great,. do great,.. and have a direction to go afterwards instead of disappearing like so many do.  Whats wrong with that?  A career can be ended any moment-- while it lasts its good to build a brand around yourself. Cam is doing that.

When we all hear him come out and say NOW that hes not focused on football and just focused on his next career,.. lost desire to play or something, then we can all go after him-- but not today.

 

I liked your comment but am having a hard time envisioning Cam following in the footsteps of Strahan or Jordan.  Lord help the fans, let's hope Cam doesn't emulate MJ as an owner!

All joking aside, and in a way I think this is a solid positive in that Cam seems to keep his nose clean and has no off-field issues/problems, but I don't see him having any sort of "brand" or presence whatsoever off the field -- seems invisible. 

How does one capitalize on invisible once their on-field career is over?

[Moneyman321]

Honestly, if that’s what is needed then the Panthers should just move on from Cam after his contract and try to rebuild at the QB position. 

If Cam sat out 2019, he would come back in 2020 as a 31-year old mobile QB with severe shoulder issues for several years in the last year of a contract. Draft a QB and let him sit behind Cam in 2020 while Cam plays out his final year. 

Wish the man well for what he has done for our franchise and hope both parties can have continued success in different directions. 

[GeorgeHanson]

4 minutes ago, Moneyman321 said:

Honestly, if that’s what is needed then the Panthers should just move on from Cam after his contract and try to rebuild at the QB position. 

If Cam sat out 2019, he would come back in 2020 as a 31-year old mobile QB with severe shoulder issues for several years in the last year of a contract. Draft a QB and let him sit behind Cam in 2020 while Cam plays out his final year. 

Wish the man well for what he has done for our franchise and hope both parties can have continued success in different directions. 

Well said.

Career ending injuries are hard to stomach but they do happen and must be acknowledged accordingly.

[JARROD]

18 minutes ago, Moneyman321 said:

Honestly, if that’s what is needed then the Panthers should just move on from Cam after his contract and try to rebuild at the QB position. 

If Cam sat out 2019, he would come back in 2020 as a 31-year old mobile QB with severe shoulder issues for several years in the last year of a contract. Draft a QB and let him sit behind Cam in 2020 while Cam plays out his final year. 

Wish the man well for what he has done for our franchise and hope both parties can have continued success in different directions. 

Just make a trade for Wentz. He’s cheap and a 2nd round pick for him would be a ton better than what there are for draft. 

No one is going to give a 1st for Wentz right now, he’s got to prove he can make it through a full season first.

[Moneyman321]

1 hour ago, JARROD said:

Just make a trade for Wentz. He’s cheap and a 2nd round pick for him would be a ton better than what there are for draft. 

No one is going to give a 1st for Wentz right now, he’s got to prove he can make it through a full season first.

Maybe a 3rd or later. I feel as if a 2nd round pick would still be too hefty for a person with just as many health issues but I get where you are coming from and like the idea

[Moneyman321]

And I understand the connection with Luck and the success he is having. But Cam will never be a pure pocket passer like Luck, so  it’s difficult to compare. A nagging shoulder issue can only highlight Cam’s weaknesses and take away from his most valuable asset - arm strength. 

The Colts spent a lot of draft capital to shore up their O-Line and Defense to help Luck and now quietly have one of the most complete teams in football. Especially in the second half of the season and in the playoffs.

The Panthers would need a great 2019 and 2020 draft to replace key retirees and plug the holes already present, if they wanted to achieve what Luck and the Colts have this year. 

Its definitely possible. However, with the trend recently of winning with a cheap(er) / young QB prevalent; It may be a better idea to focus on developing a young QB for 10-15 years rather than trying to lean on Cam for a couple. 

[panthers55]

If we have to sit him for the whole year we absorb a 23 million  cap hit for no return having to spend even more for his replacement. That would be a bitter pill to swallow unless his return to 100% is almost guaranteed the following year. Otherwise that long of a recovery with no guarantee he returns to 100% might very well suggest we have to  move on and take the 8 mil hit in dead money saving almost 15 million in cap space in 2019. That would be a terrible outcome and worse case scenario. I hope Cam returns to 100% this off-season.

[L-TownCat]

vs the alternative of watching one of the best to ever play struggle to push the ball 15 yds?

yeah

[thefuzz]

I would feel much better about the situation if we had someone other than Hurney and Ron at the helm.  They are fighting for their jobs, and we all know what Ron does when he's scrambling....relies on his vets.

Cams shoulder is messed up, that's clear.  What we don't know....is if the shoulder can come back with surgery or not, or with rest and rehab or not.  We likely won't know until it breaks down again, unfortunately.

I'm fine with sitting Cam for a year, if that means he has a reliable chance of coming back healthy.  If we had anyone leading the franchise other than Lloyd Christmas and Harry Dunne I would feel better about the entire situation.  This particular situation is precisely why we needed to clean house after this season and get our next GM and head coach in here.

Had we done that, we would have a clearer path.  If the next GM and HC want Cam as their long term QB, sit him and try like hell to build around him.  However, what if we do that, we tank like hell, Tepper fires Hurney and Ron, and the new guys want to build the team their way and with a new QB?  We are F'd.

Just a mess all the way around.

[ncsu12engr]

Sit him all of 2020 so that we can get that #1 pick and get Trevor Lawrence. Dude is legit.