If Ron goes 3-4 does that mean Tepper wants him around

[JARROD]

Well when you run the same kind of defense forever, people are going to eventually get you figured out ha.

also, as it’s been pointed out, 3-4 OLB and much of the other pieces are much more plentiful and cheap compared to looking or paying for elite DE. 

You can still float into 4-3 alignments any time— everything is hybrid now anyways with so many versatile players.

this is also Robs attempt to show that he’s willing to step into fundamental change to get better results.

 

[AU-panther]

Maybe it was more of a "here is my plan to improve the team and save my job".

Sometimes your boss just doesn't want to know that you plan on fixing something, they want to know how you plan on doing it.

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, bandu said:

Marty Hurnery did an outstanding job at the 2018 NFL draft &  prior to Cams shoulder injury the Panthers were 6-2

but you say i want "better football people"

"alrighty then" whatever you say Mr. Scot.

Ive sat through a dozen seasons where Marty Hurney built the roster. Only three of them produced winning teams and / or playoff appearances.

So yes, I want better football people than a guy who can only produce one winning season out of every four.

[CPF4LIFE]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

There's no real indication that Tepper forced this. From what we've heard, it was more Rivera's initiative because he's frustrated with division opponents having his defense figured out.

So basically, I wouldn't read anything into it regarding his job security either way.

So he is mad because teams realized he does the same thing over and over so they wont let him be great anymore? 

[fortyrod]

Your Tinfoil Hat Edition: Leak the news that you are changing your D so you can partially obfuscate your draft intentions. This only helps if you are actually good at drafting in the first place.

[bandu]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Ive sat through a dozen seasons where Marty Hurney built the roster. Only three of them produced winning teams and / or playoff appearances.

So yes, I want better football people than a guy who can only produce one winning season out of every four.

the Cleveland Browns fired Bill Belichick simply because he couldn't produce wins right out the gate.

while all  at the same time Tom Brady (the G.O.A.T.) patiently sat on the bench at the University of Michigan.

long story short... by simply practicing patience the New England Patriots didn't wind up just acquiring "better football people" but the BEST"my friend.

[JARROD]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Ive sat through a dozen seasons where Marty Hurney built the roster. Only three of them produced winning teams and / or playoff appearances.

So yes, I want better football people than a guy who can only produce one winning season out of every four.

Yeh again it goes back to the rare coach that can win with anyone that has football smarts and specific abilities that can be utilized in the right matchups.

most can only win with personnel that match their specific square scheming.

ron changing to a 3-4 just means now he will have to get guys that can do that well.

get a guy that almost fits, Ron can’t win—

hes not Belicheck, not even Wade Phillips who can adjust his scheme to match what the player can do.

We switch, get people, and it’s possible for Ron to get to a Super Bowl— just like it’s possible for Tomlin,.. McCarthy and Fisher,..

but usually they don’t have their guys and just make excuses for it in between.

im hoping Sean McVae with Wade and Pederson can show there’s hope for other franchises that other coaches can adjust.

then hopefully Tepper can identify one or a group for us.

[Pimpdaddy]

44 minutes ago, JARROD said:

 

im hoping Sean McVae with Wade and Pederson can show there’s hope for other franchises that other coaches can adjust.

 

yea...me too... like nothing better than to see the pat's lose two in a row...let them add to that record.

[Mr. Scot]

52 minutes ago, bandu said:

the Cleveland Browns fired Bill Belichick simply because he couldn't produce wins right out the gate.

while all  at the same time Tom Brady (the G.O.A.T.) patiently sat on the bench at the University of Michigan.

long story short... by simply practicing patience the New England Patriots didn't wind up just acquiring "better football people" but the BEST"my friend.

The Carolina Panthers fired Marty Hurney from the highest position available on the team.

Nobody else was interested in him as a GM.

Nobody else was interested in him as a personnel executive.

Nobody was even interested in him as a scout.

There was only one person in the NFL who was stupid enough to hire him again, the same person who was stupid enough to make him a GM the first time.

[Woodie]

10 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

There's no real indication that Tepper forced this. From what we've heard, it was more Rivera's initiative because he's frustrated with division opponents having his defense figured out.

So basically, I wouldn't read anything into it regarding his job security either way.

I don't thinks it is simply that he's frustrated the division opponents have figured out the defense, that seems to be more a fan talking point.  I think it's more that he is frustrated that we can't get pressure on the QB without blitzing half the defense, and there doesn't seem to be much help on the horizon.  

 

[Woodie]

10 hours ago, CBDellinger said:

if the Tepp is dictating what schemes to run then we may have big problems on the horizon.

 

I don't think he's pawing all over it, but I'm sure he has had some input.

And he should have input.  Typically, the owner has a philosophy of what they want their team to be (JR, for example, wanted a defensive focused team with an emphasis on power football, along with a conservative, family atmosphere).   The owner then hires people that will run that philosophy.

So, stating that his preference is to run a 3-4 is ok, as long as he lets the GM and coaches actually pick the players and run the scheme.  If he has stated he wants a 3-4, he now needs to step back and let Hurney and Rivera make it work.  And by all indications, he's not a meddling owner like Jerry Jones, but an informed one that trusts the people he hired to do their job.  Which is what you want in an owner.

[Woodie]

As for the original question, I don't think switching to a 3-4 means anything for Ron.  No matter what scheme we run, there needs to be indications that it is working, or Tepper will find someone that can make it work.  Even with the likely growing pains that will come from switching to a 3-4 (if we even do make the change), the defense will need to show improvement and growth throughout the year. 

Tepper's building for the long haul, and he knows there will be some short-term hiccups.  But he will still expect signs that we are heading in the right direction, or changes will be made.  He's patient, but he also has a vision and, I'm sure, a timetable for when he wants the team to hit the gas pedal.  

 

[Mr. Scot]

51 minutes ago, Woodie said:

I don't thinks it is simply that he's frustrated the division opponents have figured out the defense, that seems to be more a fan talking point.  I think it's more that he is frustrated that we can't get pressure on the QB without blitzing half the defense, and there doesn't seem to be much help on the horizon.  

 

That tidbit didn't come from me. It actually comes from someone with access.

So no, not just fan speculation.

[The Huddler]

11 hours ago, CBDellinger said:

if the Tepp is dictating what schemes to run then we may have big problems on the horizon.

 

no

 

he just knows ron needs to be forced to do certain things, or else he wont do them. 

 

its a weird trait of his that most coaches do not possess