Gronkowski is a moron

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, PanthersBigD said:

For a team as tightly run as the Patriots, I'm always surprised that Gronk is allowed to repeatedly display his stupidity on camera. 

Keeping Gronk from saying something stupid is probably a near impossible job.

4 minutes ago, Rocky Davis said:

I was hoping this would take some of the light off of the Aints moaning and b*tching, but it has kind of fallen by the wayside.

Maybe we can get Cam Jordan and Vicodin Payton to start wearing #UsToo shirts for their cause to majorly change NFL rules because they were the 731st team in NFL history to get screwed by terrible reffing?

I'm waiting for one of them to go extreme and use the Holocaust analogy.

"I didn't speak up when they screwed the Jets with a bad call..."

[Sgt Schultz]

16 minutes ago, PanthersBigD said:

No one called Gronk evil, they called him stupid, which he is. He's been given countless opportunities to prove it. He shouldn't have made the joke. It wasn't even funny for an adult. It's something a fifth grader would say to his friends. 

Gillette and Nike have both posted positive financial results as a result of their commercials. Telling people they can be better, even through schlocky commercials isn't 'PC.' It's common sense advertising. I'll bet you can't name me five companies/instances in this long history of backtracking you refer to.

ESPN, not the NFL, came up with 'All Jacked Up', and if we learned anything from the short-lived series Playmakers, it's that ESPN and the NFL's interests are not always aligned. Having concussions brought into the national conversation helped force the NFL's hand, but working to reduce those big hits is to the NFL's long term benefit. Who cares why they did it as long as they're doing it now. 

The big example of backtracking was Starbucks "Race Together" campaign, which died in their stores before it became a full-fledged ad campaign.  Their own CEO at the time said it was one of the biggest mistakes he ever made, but other CEO's who were interviewed said it the backlash was not a surprise to them at all.

I used "All Jacked Up" as an example, but you can go into the library of old NFL films shows to see much the same thing, albeit less dramatic. 

My characterization of "evil" was a response on Rodeo's response that half the world (which by extension does not agree) is disgusting people.  That is simply more of the same "yur either wit us or agin us" that goes back hundreds, if not thousands of years.  It does nothing to change minds, and pushes people who have no horse in the race in the other direction. 

The question is why people can not have reasonable conversations, such as I think we are having right now, without the name calling or worse, demonization, that is all too prevalent today. 

And that brings us back to Gronk.  When he speaks, my expectation is not that I am about to have some life-altering experience.  In fact, I would not even pay any attention to what he said unless it was unavoidable, which was the case when I opened this thread.  My expectation is more that any words from him are about as compelling as a random conversation with our house painter (from personal experience). 

[Sgt Schultz]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Keeping Gronk from saying something stupid is probably a near impossible job.

I'm waiting for one of them to go extreme and use the Holocaust analogy.

"I didn't speak up when they screwed the Jets with a bad call..."

I think the call will first be labeled immoral, then anyone who doesn't think it is immoral is "unMerican" and if that doesn't work, then we get to the Holocaust or labeling it an atrocity.  It just depends on what label needs to be attached to keep it on page 1 and stoke outrage.

[PanthersBigD]

1 minute ago, Sgt Schultz said:

The big example of backtracking was Starbucks "Race Together" campaign, which died in their stores before it became a full-fledged ad campaign.  Their own CEO at the time said it was one of the biggest mistakes he ever made, but other CEO's who were interviewed said it the backlash was not a surprise to them at all.

I used "All Jacked Up" as an example, but you can go into the library of old NFL films shows to see much the same thing, albeit less dramatic. 

My characterization of "evil" was a response on Rodeo's response that half the world (which by extension does not agree) is disgusting people.  That is simply more of the same "yur either wit us or agin us" that goes back hundreds, if not thousands of years.  It does nothing to change minds, and pushes people who have no horse in the race in the other direction. 

The question is why people can not have reasonable conversations, such as I think we are having right now, without the name calling or worse, demonization, that is all to prevalent today. 

And that brings us back to Gronk.  When he speaks, my expectation is not that I am about to have some life-altering experience.  In fact, I would not even pay any attention to what he said unless it was unavoidable, which was the case when I opened this thread.  My expectation is more that any words from him are about as compelling as a random conversation with our house painter (from personal experience). 

That's great that you don't expect much out of Gronk; you won't be disappointed. The issue with guys in the spotlight like Gronk, is that you're not their only audience. Anyone and everyone can see those interviews, and different people are affected differently by it. Him getting a pass on making stupid, creepy comments, even if they're staged is completely wrong. What Cam said to Jordan Rodrigue was wrong too. We have to treat women who are proving every day that they're equals, as equals, and that means affording them a little bit of respect when it comes to interacting with them in the media. So, if some female reporter was in on the 'joke', then she's also to blame. It's unhelpful to make light of things like this when there are still plenty of businesses run the way Jerry Richardson ran the Panthers. 

[Sgt Schultz]

1 minute ago, PanthersBigD said:

That's great that you don't expect much out of Gronk; you won't be disappointed. The issue with guys in the spotlight like Gronk, is that you're not their only audience. Anyone and everyone can see those interviews, and different people are affected differently by it. Him getting a pass on making stupid, creepy comments, even if they're staged is completely wrong. What Cam said to Jordan Rodrigue was wrong too. We have to treat women who are proving every day that they're equals, as equals, and that means affording them a little bit of respect when it comes to interacting with them in the media. So, if some female reporter was in on the 'joke', then she's also to blame. It's unhelpful to make light of things like this when there are still plenty of businesses run the way Jerry Richardson ran the Panthers. 

And how does outrage on every instance, regardless of expectations of the source or degree achieve that?  Do you think that changes people's minds?  Equating this to JR, or sexual assault, or beating any woman that gets near just desensitizes people to the problems.  And try equating those things to someone who has been the victim of a sexual assault and see how far the outrage over every transgression, no matter what degree, gets you. 

Rodeo talked about PC, but the reason PC has a bad name is the constant outrage, including about things that are relatively meaningless and deserve nothing more than a shrug.

And worse, in a lot of cases, perhaps Gronk included, they are getting attention that they do not deserve, but he probably relish in.

[rhyslloyd]

We all knew this prior to, today.  He is a complete idiot.

[PanthersBigD]

8 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

And how does outrage on every instance, regardless of expectations of the source or degree achieve that?  Do you think that changes people's minds?  Equating this to JR, or sexual assault, or beating any woman that gets near just desensitizes people to the problems.  And try equating those things to someone who has been the victim of a sexual assault and see how far the outrage over every transgression, no matter what degree, gets you. 

Rodeo talked about PC, but the reason PC has a bad name is the constant outrage, including about things that are relatively meaningless and deserve nothing more than a shrug.

And worse, in a lot of cases, perhaps Gronk included, they are getting attention that they do not deserve, but he probably relish in.

It's not outrage to point out something that is wrong. Who is actually outraged? I'm typing this calmly from my desk. I never equated it to what JR did, I said it's unhelpful to let the little things slide, because little things turn into big things. If we laugh off suggestive talk that's disrespectful to only a portion of the audience/workplace, where does it end?

You seem to be much more worked up about it than anyone else, and the only one mentioning 'outrage.' 

[CatTower]

Some people need to learn how to ignore.  It's a great quality.

[Mr. Scot]

How many people have been on here long enough to remember Greg Frye?

Personality wise, Gronk is basically Frye. They're worlds different in talent and skill level of course, but as far as character and intelligence, pretty much the same person.

[mc52beast]

Hmm...Cam makes 69 references to a female during SB week... 

Of course the media and everyone else would just laugh it off

[Johnny Rockets]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

How many people have been on here long enough to remember Greg Frye?

Personality wise, Gronk is basically Frye. They're worlds different in talent and skill level of course, but as far as character and intelligence, pretty much the same person.

 The local loser who accused Beason of being a cokehead, sued him for assault and lost, was in and out of jail for larceny and run out of town because he had so may enemies is just like Gronk?

Bit of a stretch there don't you think?

[PanthersBigD]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

How many people have been on here long enough to remember Greg Frye?

Personality wise, Gronk is basically Frye. They're worlds different in talent and skill level of course, but as far as character and intelligence, pretty much the same person.

Greg Frye is an amoral grifter. He does things intentionally without regard for who he hurts and he's an equal opportunity offender. 

I think Gronk is legitimately a doofus that is really good at two things: football and partying. 

[*FreeFua*]

18 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

Dude, this is so ridiculous. He answered that question to a Barstool employee he knew, and then made that reference to the person beside him, which was a woman. This question was baited. What's funny is the article is completely wrong about the topic of the question.

 

The Barstool employee(who was dressed up and pretending to be a 1st grade teacher) asked the 69 question as a joke. The video is on Barstool's instagram page. The entire thing was a setup for a joke.

 

 

PFT wasn’t pretending to be a first grade teacher he just said he knew one (jokingly) when asking the question.

Mr.Scot you can sleep easy at night knowing that both PFT and Portnoy ended up getting arrested on that night. Portnoy was caught before the Pats took the floor. 

NFL has stripped Barstool of their credentials for a few years now. PFT and Portnoy made some passes and snuck on the floor like they did last year. 

Both have been banned from the dome which will make for an interesting night when Portnoy heads there to attend the SB. 

Goodell is a loser and if he’d just give Barstool their credentials back then all of this could be avoided. Even the cops and FBI thought it was stupid once they got the full story as to why they were called in to grab PFT and Portnoy.

[TheCasillas]

8 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

PFT wasn’t pretending to be a first grade teacher he just said he knew one (jokingly) when asking the question.

Mr.Scot you can sleep easy at night knowing that both PFT and Portnoy ended up getting arrested on that night. Portnoy was caught before the Pats took the floor. 

NFL has stripped Barstool of their credentials for a few years now. PFT and Portnoy made some passes and snuck on the floor like they did last year. 

Both have been banned from the dome which will make for an interesting night when Portnoy heads there to attend the SB. 

Goodell is a loser and if he’d just give Barstool their credentials back then all of this could be avoided. Even the cops and FBI thought it was stupid once they got the full story as to why they were called in to grab PFT and Portnoy.

"Sollenberger, who hosts the popular Barstool podcast “Pardon My Take,” claimed to have a question for Patriots star Rob Gronkowski from a “first-grader named Allison” who wondered why the tight end thought the number 69 was so funny."