OBJ TRADED TO BROWNS

[AceBoogie]

I’ve been telling y’all for the longest. Gettleman’s method is essentially a Ponzi scheme. He just keeps kicking that winning can down the road selling the team on the idea that they will be better tomorrow once he builds it the “right way”. Tomorrow never comes and there’s never a real plan, just getting rid of talent to lower expectations. 

[Towelboy]

to summarize,

the giants get a 1st, 3rd, and a safety to replace the one they just traded. they unloaded a spectacular talent that is rumored to be a diva and headcase while eating $16M in dead cap. now the giants have enough picks to draft plenty of young talent while unloading big bucks. 

the browns have enough cap space to add serious talent to build a championship caliber team around their young QB. seems to be a win/win for both parties.

my friend in the giants head office told me this morning that "teams win championships not individuals (like baseball)." i told him i liked the trade and he said, "i' haven't started my car yet today, so hopefully there's no surprises hidden in it for me."

i offer that commentary as evidence that the higher ups in the giant's office are happy with the trade but know the fans are not.

[Peppers90 NC]

Giants have had one winning season with Odell, they will be fine without him

[fjblair]

Humpty Dumpty is grossly incompetent and was never GM material. He will be fired again and then he can go back to what he knows-scouting. 

The only people that believe this was a good move for the Giants are the DG apologists on this board. 

[frash.exe]

6 hours ago, Sub Zero said:

Lol ... 2009- 2010 was the start of that with Jake's contract .. Wow way to show you don't have a clue..

And everybody knew after 2012 season that this team was close to turning the corner..  Win total was increasing and they ended the season strong with most of their losses being from TD or less..

That's why Gman when he came in himself said this was a good roster.. Gave alot of credit to Hurney and didn't fire many if any of Hurney's fo staff, scouts or coaching hires..

So please keep thinking you know what you're talking about when the actual actions of your savior were very different...

wtf does gettleman retaining scouts have to do with JR and hurney giving out tens of millions in signing bonuses like candy?

what does the delhomme contract in 2009 have to do with richardson overspending on his own players to prove a point that he wasn’t cheap after leading the charge of nfl ownership combating the NFLPA over the players’ share in 2011?

what does everybody “knowing we were going to turn a corner” have to do with being 15 mil over the cap after a season wherein the team started 1-5 for like the third year in a row?

get down from the grownups’ table and go sell your bullshit stories to someone who doesn’t know any better bc i’m not buying it.

[Ricky Spanish]

So to play devil's advocate here:

The giants will now have over 100 million in cap space next offseason to build a team around a young QB they most likely will acquire either through the draft or through trade this offseason.

This was a long term move, not a this season move. Yes they are eating a ton of dead cap this season, but it's on a bunch of horrible contracts that Reese signed before G-man got there (and the one from OBJ that Getts signed himself). He has since already rebuilt the o-line and added a generational talent at RB. The money will be used to build the defense back up, and probably sign a decent WR next offseason. 

They know Eli isn't the answer long term, and they are setting the team up to make moves to surround their future with talent.

This could just be a step back this year, and a potential step forward next. Especially if they trade up to #1 and take a QB, or trade #17 to the Cards for Rosen. 

[Peppers90 NC]

the only people who think this was a bad move for the giants are the kids who think their favorite player wins games

[Peppers90 NC]

3 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

So to play devil's advocate here:

The giants will now have over 100 million in cap space next offseason to build a team around a young QB they most likely will acquire either through the draft or through trade this offseason.

This was a long term move, not a this season move. Yes they are eating a ton of dead cap this season, but it's on a bunch of horrible contracts that Reese signed before G-man got there (and the one from OBJ that Getts signed himself). He has since already rebuilt the o-line and added a generational talent at RB. The money will be used to build the defense back up, and probably sign a decent WR next offseason. 

They know Eli isn't the answer long term, and they are setting the team up to make moves to surround their future with talent.

This could just be a step back this year, and a potential step forward next. Especially if they trade up to #1 and take a QB, or trade #17 to the Cards for Rosen. 

it's also been heard that the owner pushed this. Browns have a small window despite a young team in regards keeping them all together.

[Ricky Spanish]

4 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

it's also been heard that the owner pushed this. Browns have a small window despite a young team in regards keeping them all together.

If they don't win within the next 2 years, that team is going to be BLOWN UP. No way they can keep all that talent on long term deals. It's win now moves that aren't necessarily bad. Hopefully for their fan's sake they produce on the field. 

[thefuzz]

17 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

So to play devil's advocate here:

The giants will now have over 100 million in cap space next offseason to build a team around a young QB they most likely will acquire either through the draft or through trade this offseason.

This was a long term move, not a this season move. Yes they are eating a ton of dead cap this season, but it's on a bunch of horrible contracts that Reese signed before G-man got there (and the one from OBJ that Getts signed himself). He has since already rebuilt the o-line and added a generational talent at RB. The money will be used to build the defense back up, and probably sign a decent WR next offseason. 

They know Eli isn't the answer long term, and they are setting the team up to make moves to surround their future with talent.

This could just be a step back this year, and a potential step forward next. Especially if they trade up to #1 and take a QB, or trade #17 to the Cards for Rosen. 

This is exactly what is going down here.

You don't keep Eli and not draft Sam unless that's the owners wishes.  You don't sign OBJ to that massive deal unless it's the owners wishes.

So....DG was likely told to sign OBJ, keep Eli (2 time SB winning QB), and make one last run....that would have been the 2018 season.  That was a disaster....obviously.

Now it's time to fix the mess.

Shed contracts, no long term big money deals this offseason, try like hell to shore up the O Line, and prepare to draft a QB this year, or next.  Personally I would be on the next year train.  Tank like hell this season....tank for Tua.

Now you have a ton of cap space, your franchise QB on a rookie deal.  A generational RB.  A decent to good O line that could get even better this year with all the draft picks they have.  And a ton of young hungry players for one of the best organizations out there.

Sound familiar?  It's what the Browns have been doing for a few years to prepare for this.  It's what the Rams did to prepare for last year and this year.

The Giants weren't winning poo this year...it's time to finally tear it all down and start over....something that we should have done for Cam when he was drafted.

 

[Car123]

It's what the Browns have been doing for decades. Tanking doesn't guarantee success.

All they had to do was replace Eli. They had the right pieces.

[Ricky Spanish]

14 minutes ago, Car123 said:

It's what the Browns have been doing for decades. Tanking doesn't guarantee success.

All they had to do was replace Eli. They had the right pieces.

Nah man, that O-line was hot garbage last year. Eli had some of the shortest time in the league to throw before he was hit. Throw a rookie QB into that situation and you have a recipe for David Carr 2.0

Look at all the rookie QB's last season that they could have drafted. Not one of them played better than Eli. If they had drafted one, they could have been damaged goods moving forward. 

Granted, they could still have OBJ in that situation, which would benefit any young QB in the long run, but it seems like management wanted last year to be Eli's swan song and it didn't pan out. 

[thefuzz]

Also....I'm just gonna toss this in here since we all know how NFL players respond....especially those who tend to catch passes.

How are they going to manage touches in CLE next season.

You HAVE to throw OBJ the ball.  You HAVE to throw Jarvis the ball.  You have to get Chubb involved...not to mention Hunt when he comes back.  And you have the TE in Njoku.

This could go very good, or very bad....quickly.

[Palmetto]

Fire Coughlin but Keep Eli

Fire Ben McAdoo for benching Eli

Trade OBJ but keep Eli

Eli is on the team to please the fans while they keep making bad front office decisions