Panthers have spent "considerable time" with Will Grier

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

I personally disagree and wouldn't read into it too much.

Could just be that the QB taken in the 2nd is rated leaps and bounds higher than everyone else on our board. 

It's why we double dipped at DT in 2013 and why we took Luke top 10 with Beason and TD already on the roster. 

We go hard on who we believe is BPA. I have learned to accept this. If a QB is taken at 47 by us, I will assume he was #1 remaining on our board. 

You have to keep in mind not just Newton's health, but also his contract situation. Both of those things are going to factor into the decision.

If there is a chance that he could stay healthy for the next two years, then it doesn't make as much sense to take a quarterback in the first round, but it could in the second or the third. And having a guy who doesn't necessarily need to start in his rookie season means you have time to develop him whereas first rounders are expected to start right away.

I'd also say remember that this is Marty Hurney were talking about. Hurney himself has acknowledged that he's done a fair amount of reaching for need in rounds other than round one.

[TheRed]

3 minutes ago, Paa Langfart said:

I'm a hypocritical baby boomer who defends Jerry Richardson tooth and nail while viciously attacking his female accusers.

Finally we agree on something.

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You have to keep in mind not just Newton's health, but also his contract situation. Both of those things are going to factor into the decision.

If there is a chance that he could stay healthy for the next two years, then it doesn't make as much sense to take a quarterback in the first round, but it could in the second or the third. And having a guy who doesn't necessarily need to start in his rookie season means you have time to develop him whereas first rounders are expected to start right away.

I'd also say remember that this is Marty Hurney were talking about. Hurney himself has acknowledged that he's done a fair amount of reaching for need in rounds other than round one.

I don't think Hurney and Rivera are thinking about Cam's next contract right now. If they don't deliver Ws they won't be around to make that decision anyway.

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Same.

I feel like Heinicke's better mobility was the primary deciding factor there and I didn't necessarily agree with that. You're not going to find a guy to replicate Cam's mobility. Any backup QB we have is likely going to require some degree of tweaking to the offense.

If I'm being brutally honest, I feel like Heinicke's previous relationship with Norv Turner probably had a lot more to do with it than anything else.

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't think Hurney and Rivera are thinking about Cam's next contract right now. If they don't deliver Ws they won't be around to make that decision anyway.

Possible.

[Shocker]

The answer is not on the roster IMO...Heinicke played like 1 half and got injured.  Seriously doubt Allen is the answer either.

[carpanfan96]

Based on the way Cam's shoulder has reacted the last couple of seasons, you almost have to draft a QB in the first three rounds. If Cam is healthy and plays the full season 100%, then fabulous and the new guy can sit behind Cam and learn. If he isn't then you have someone worth taking a look at for the future of the franchise. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, carpanfan96 said:

Based on the way Cam's shoulder has reacted the last couple of seasons, you almost have to draft a QB in the first three rounds. If Cam is healthy and plays the full season 100%, then fabulous and the new guy can sit behind Cam and learn. If he isn't then you have someone worth taking a look at for the future of the franchise. 

I'd agree.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, black-panthers said:

So Grier’s pu$sy arm is better than Cam’s broke arm? My next door neighbor daughter’s arm is stronger than Grier

Lemme guess: You're using his poor performance in the Tennessee game as an example.

[TheRed]

1 hour ago, carpanfan96 said:

If Cam is healthy and plays the full season 100%, then fabulous and the new guy can sit behind Cam and learn.

It's easy to say something like this in April.

But if Cam is indeed healthy and playing well this season while our depleted pass rush proves to be unable to rise up to the the task,  there will be people questioning why we have a QB we drafted in the first 3 rounds sitting on the bench when we could have used that resource elsewhere.

It really makes me laugh how quickly some fans forget the division that we play in. We still need to be able to get to the opposing QB regardless of who we have behind center. If we can't get their offense off the field because we can't get pressure it won't matter.

[steven8989]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Lemme guess: You're using his poor performance in the Tennessee game as an example.

No this dude has no idea what he is talking about. Maybe the new changes coming to the huddle will get rid of the sorry posters!

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, TheRed said:

It's easy to say something like this in April.

But if Cam is indeed healthy and playing well this season while our depleted pass rush proves to be unable to rise up to the the task,  there will be people questioning why we have a QB we drafted in the first 3 rounds sitting on the bench when we could have used that resource elsewhere.

It really makes me laugh how quickly some fans forget the division that we play in. We still need to be able to get to the opposing QB regardless of who we have behind center. If we can't their offense off the field because we can't get pressure it won't matter.

And if we use our first pick on a tackle but we're losing games due to a lack of pass rush, people will question why we didn't use our first round pick on a defensive lineman.

Or if we use our first round pick on a defensive lineman, Moton and Williams man the tackle spots well enough but Newton still can't throw and Kyle Allen looks like crap, people will second guess where we didn't try to take a backup quarterback.

You can make a disaster scenario out of pretty much any choice we make.

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, TheRed said:

It's easy to say something like this in April.

But if Cam is indeed healthy and playing well this season while our depleted pass rush proves to be unable to rise up to the the task,  there will be people questioning why we have a QB we drafted in the first 3 rounds sitting on the bench when we could have used that resource elsewhere.

It really makes me laugh how quickly some fans forget the division that we play in. We still need to be able to get to the opposing QB regardless of who we have behind center. If we can't their offense off the field because we can't get pressure it won't matter.

  Yep. No one wants to volunteer what position of huge need we are going to ignore to draft a player we hope never plays. And if he does, odds are he’s ineffective anyway. 

  

[TheRed]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

And if we use our first pick on a tackle but we're losing games due to a lack of pass rush, people will question why we didn't use our first round pick on a defensive lineman.

Or if we use our first round pick on a defensive lineman, Moton and Williams man the tackle spots well enough but Newton still can't throw and Kyle Allen looks like crap, people will second guess where we didn't try to take a backup quarterback.

You can make a disaster scenario out of pretty much any choice we make.

Yeah yeah you want a QB, we know. Just say that my man.

But we also have an indisputable need on both lines.

If we draft a stud for the OL or the DL who can be a quality addition for the future that's a win and a big boost for whichever QB takes center regardless of what happens with Newton.

[KillerKat]

No QB that we could get in this draft will become a franchise QB for us. It would be a wasted pick.