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Opinion:Why Gary should be the pick if he falls

micnificent28

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18 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Star dropped due to a potential heart issue. James went right around where he was projected to go until he "shot up draft boards" after the Combine. A lot of these late "big movers" end up not moving much at all. Collins was involved in a murder investigation too close to the draft to clear it up. 

I’m going to disagree with you on James. He was always at worse top 6 in the draft at times top 4. His fall was like the biggest story of last years draft.B3DED37B-131E-44CE-9A05-81F858506EF9.thumb.jpeg.dc9364922dfc7b9fc74b8c728b88e16f.jpeg

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4 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

How many guys are taller than Gary at end or in this draft as a matter of fact? Is 6’4 under sized now?

3-4 DEs are often taller. 6’4 is fine for a 4-3 DE. 3-4 DEs are also more run stuffers and block takers on than pass rushers though, so there’s that.  Not saying he definitely wouldn’t work there, but in that scheme they’re often closer to 290 and 6’6 or so. At least to my recollection

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1 hour ago, Pi = 3.1SHutYoMouth! said:

Julius Peppers started 34 games in UNC and had 30.5 sacks, 53 tackles for loss, 167 tackles, and 5 INT as a DE. He's ranked 2nd all-time in sacks behind another NFL legend Lawrence Taylor. There's no one in this draft that even matches Peppers productivity in college. I think people forget just how productive Peppers was in college because (as you've stated) he was given a stereotype as a laxidaisical player (It bared out sometimes with his years with the Panthers). The numbers don't like though. Athletically and statistically, Peppers was a very special talent. 

Gary as of right now has not shown me he is anywhere close to Peppers. He's a project. One I would not be against if we trade down or choose him for our 2nd pick (which won't happen).

 

3 hours ago, Moo Daeng said:

Calling him a generational talent in the same breath as saying he has no production is absurd. Hes not even 9n the radar of generational talent.

Your obsession with underwear Olympics is getting to be really predictable. 

I’m addressing both of you guys at the same one because I think your both severely underrating what we are dealing with here. No he isn’t as productive or as safe as Peppers but that’s why he went number 2. He was a easy scout and turn in the card. If Gary had Peppers numbers bosa might be who we are discussing now and why wasn’t he more productive, because he is more talented than Bosa.

Anyone who Runs the fastest 40 in combine history for a player over 276 pounds is a Generational talent. People thought clowney was a generational talent.. look Who Gary is compared to2FF8E615-ECBA-453E-B2C5-7D95A6DBABFF.thumb.jpeg.4dfdbf713188ba5b82e0956ffd93129c.jpeg

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2 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Compare him to Donald but ignore technique such as the use of hands because Gary would not be close. Ferrell is way ahead of Gary in that aspect.

Which isn’t really a unteachable skill. Who cares if u flap your arms around a bunch of you don’t have the ability to capitalize on it. Technique can be improved Gary has what can’t be which is why we use the world upside because his best football is ahead of him. I compared him to Donald of size, speed,strength and agility. Know what Donald is better than Gary at? Strengh that’s it.

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Not sure where you pulled the graphic on his measurable stats from M28, but could you also pull one for Wilkins and Houston? I'd like to see a side-by-side of those three to see where each stands in an apples-to-apples comparison of just their athletic ability and potential. Could make this debate a lot more interesting.

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7 minutes ago, Raskle said:

Not sure where you pulled the graphic on his measurable stats from M28, but could you also pull one for Wilkins and Houston? I'd like to see a side-by-side of those three to see where each stands in an apples-to-apples comparison of just their athletic ability and potential. Could make this debate a lot more interesting.

Man those things are hard to track down the “athletic web” I see Josh Norris uses them a lot has a site he works with  that always shows the web,sparq, and athletic percentile player is in but, I will look now since you asked.

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14 minutes ago, Raskle said:

Not sure where you pulled the graphic on his measurable stats from M28, but could you also pull one for Wilkins and Houston? I'd like to see a side-by-side of those three to see where each stands in an apples-to-apples comparison of just their athletic ability and potential. Could make this debate a lot more interesting.

18C5184F-F243-41DC-9D0D-9A7354495E5B.thumb.png.023d24a0c3071a3e0a063eccda32a4a9.png It really is a cool tool to find players who have had success and similar athletic patterns wasn’t sure which Houston you wanted but just type the players name in here https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/christian-wilkins

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8 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

18C5184F-F243-41DC-9D0D-9A7354495E5B.thumb.png.023d24a0c3071a3e0a063eccda32a4a9.png It really is a cool tool to find players who have had success and similar athletic patterns wasn’t sure which Houston you wanted but just type the players name in here https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/christian-wilkins

That's because I'm an idiot every morning before I've had a chance to drink my coffee... Ed Oliver from Houston >.<

 

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Can't make it as slim as yours, since I'm posting this from PC versus phone, but that's his stats. This is a guy everyone has as a consensus top 10 pick and first DT off the board. Interesting how he measures up against the others here, since his stats aren't as good as theirs overall. I'd love to revisit this topic in about three years, to see which one has the best production by then. Of course, where they go to team and scheme-wise can impact that, but I don't think it would be as much some folks may believe, and we can see how much the stats mean in the big picture.

 

Thanks M28 for finding Wilkins' numbers, and for the link to the site! My personal favorite of the three is Wilkins, but I won't argue with Gary at all if he slips and all the top DEs are gone already. I've said it plenty of tmies now, so long as the first 2-3 picks are top talent defensive players, I'm fine with whatever.

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