Veteran QB Options

[Mr. Scot]

Joe Person's latest Athletic article argues that the Panthers are most likely to stay with the backup quarterbacks they have now. He does, however, allow for a little speculation about possible veteran cuts.

Here are a couple of note...

Teddy Bridgewater: The Turner connection makes this one obvious. That said, I haven't watched his preseason performances this year, but his Week 17 "audition" looked like refried ass. It'd be pretty weird to think of Bridgewater replacing a guy who outplayed him in Kyle Allen.

CJ Beathard: Bobby Beathard is the reason that Marty Hurney has a job in the NFL. The Panthers have Beathard's son - and CJ's uncle - Jeff as part of their scouting staff. Seeing Bobby's grandson signed to the roster wouldn't be a huge stretch, and while he certainly doesn't appear to be starter material, I wouldn't call him talentless.

The Rest: Brian Hoyer, Nathan Peterman and Mike "The Neck" Glennon round out Person's list of possible cuts. Yes, he mentions Colin Kaepernick but doesn't talk that much about him other than to mention to Reid connection. Frankly, that's a whole other contentious discussion that I don't care to bring up here especially given that there's already a thread or two devoted to that argument.

...

Looking at this list, I'm not a big Bridgewater fan but I could see it happening. Beathard honestly sounds like an equally plausible option though. Heck, you could make an argument that it's even more likely.

I still ultimately believe the Panthers will just roll with what they have, but if they were to bring in a veteran backup, who would you expect it to be? Who would you prefer?

 

[Catufb85]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Joe Person's latest Athletic article argues that the Panthers are most likely to stay with the backup quarterbacks they have now. He does, however, allow for a little speculation about possible veteran cuts.

Here are a couple of note...

Teddy Bridgewater: The Turner connection makes this one obvious. That said, I haven't watched his preseason performances this year, but his Week 17 "audition" looked like refried ass. It'd be pretty weird to think of Bridgewater replacing a guy who outplayed him in Kyle Allen.

CJ Beathard: Bobby Beathard is the reason that Marty Hurney has a job in the NFL. The Panthers have Beathard's son - and CJ's uncle - Jeff as part of their scouting staff. Seeing Bobby's grandson signed to the roster wouldn't be a huge stretch, and while he certainly doesn't appear to be starter material, I wouldn't call him talentless.

The Rest: Brian Hoyer, Nathan Peterman and Mike "The Neck" Glennon round out Person's list of possible cuts. Yes, he mentions Colin Kaepernick but doesn't talk that much about him other than to mention to Reid connection. Frankly, that's a whole other contentious discussion that I don't care to bring up here especially given that there's already a thread or two devoted to that argument.

...

Looking at this list, I'm not a big Bridgewater fan but I could see it happening. Beathard honestly sounds like an equally plausible option though. Heck, you could make an argument that it's even more likely.

I still ultimately believe the Panthers will just roll with what they have, but if they were to bring in a veteran backup, who would you expect it to be? Who would you prefer?

 

Start of preseason I felt comfortable not confident in Kyle Allen and Will Grier, I was one of the ones who thought Grier could be the steal of the draft like some analysis said when it happened, but after watching 3 preseason games and how Allen and Grier have struggled I for one am uneasy with our back-up QB situation.  Allen looks like he took a step back and Grier just looks like he hasn't caught up to the NFL yet.  He has athleticism and a great arm but his timing is way off right now.  

I wouldn't want to give up a pick or a player for a trade but at this point we NEED to make a move to finalize that back-up QB.  Need to get an experienced guy in there behind Cam and somehow find a way to injury/secure through PUP or IR to keep Grier from being claimed.

Also, we need to add some help to the offensive line. 

[Mr. Scot]

I can't see Grier being a viable option as a backup this season. Person rightly points out that he's not getting the reps (I think Rivera may have said something like that too) and that probably isn't changing soon.  His true evaluation isn't coming until next year once he's had a full season and offseason under his belt.

Allen has less of an excuse. He's had enough time to adjust to the NFL and has even started an NFL game (arguments over the validity of that game aside). I said when watching that game that he had earned a chance at the backup position, but not the backup position itself. His preseason performance would seem to bear that out.

I do remember someone on here, can't remember who, that had followed Alan for a while said it was his MO to look good for a game or two and then tank. Can't speak to that observation myself oh, but you could argue what we've seen of him so far does kinda fit that profile.

[LinvilleGorge]

I honestly hope we stay put. If Cam's shoulder doesn't hold up once again we have to start looking at the future of the franchise after Cam. That probably means throwing Grier to the wolves and see if he learns and grows from game experience or if we need to be looking at 1st round QBs for the 2020 draft.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

Bridgewater is not being cut.

Shanahan already stated they are keeping 3 qbs.  And that Beathard is not being cut.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I honestly hope we stay put. If Cam's shoulder doesn't hold up once again we have to start looking at the future of the franchise after Cam. That probably means throwing Grier to the wolves and see if he learns and grows from game experience or if we need to be looking at 1st round QBs for the 2020 draft.

With the line we have in front of him though, isn't that a significant risk of the David Carr effect?

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Bridgewater is not being cut.

Two words: Taysom Hill

I'll grant that Bridgewater may not be cut (honestly, it's no guarantee for any of these guys) but heaven knows the Saints sure do love Hill.

[hepcat]

Eli Manning 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, hepcat said:

Eli Manning 

Colts

(or so the speculation goes)

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Two words: Taysom Hill

I'll grant that Bridgewater may not be cut (honestly, it's no guarantee for any of these guys) but heaven knows the Saints sure do love Hill.

Taysom Hill is not new to the Saints or having good preseasons.  He had a good preseason last year.  The Saints traded for Bridgewater.

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

With the line we have in front of him though, isn't that a significant risk of the David Carr effect?

I don't really believe in the David Carr effect. I think guys either have it or they don't and if rough going early on derails them they probably never had it to begin with.

Derek Carr got off to a pretty nice start, but the longer he plays the more he looks like David.

[Khyber53]

22 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Joe Person's latest Athletic article argues that the Panthers are most likely to stay with the backup quarterbacks they have now. He does, however, allow for a little speculation about possible veteran cuts.

Here are a couple of note...

Teddy Bridgewater: The Turner connection makes this one obvious. That said, I haven't watched his preseason performances this year, but his Week 17 "audition" looked like refried ass. It'd be pretty weird to think of Bridgewater replacing a guy who outplayed him in Kyle Allen.

CJ Beathard: Bobby Beathard is the reason that Marty Hurney has a job in the NFL. The Panthers have Beathard's son - and CJ's uncle - Jeff as part of their scouting staff. Seeing Bobby's grandson signed to the roster wouldn't be a huge stretch, and while he certainly doesn't appear to be starter material, I wouldn't call him talentless.

The Rest: Brian Hoyer, Nathan Peterman and Mike "The Neck" Glennon round out Person's list of possible cuts. Yes, he mentions Colin Kaepernick but doesn't talk that much about him other than to mention to Reid connection. Frankly, that's a whole other contentious discussion that I don't care to bring up here especially given that there's already a thread or two devoted to that argument.

...

Looking at this list, I'm not a big Bridgewater fan but I could see it happening. Beathard honestly sounds like an equally plausible option though. Heck, you could make an argument that it's even more likely.

I still ultimately believe the Panthers will just roll with what they have, but if they were to bring in a veteran backup, who would you expect it to be? Who would you prefer?

 

Honestly, I'd stick with who we have right now. If Cam goes down and out longterm, it's probably closing in on the end of the road for him and we're going to need to be looking at a replacement. Grier ain't that guy and I don't think he even could work into being that guy. If Cam goes down, we need to roll with guys that aren't going to end up giving us an 8-8 record and the 16th pick in the draft.

Every one of those guys listed could be a passable back-up QB and they would get us absolutely nowhere, either this year or for the next season. Better to roll the dice and hope Cam stays upright and working through the post-season. If he does, the guys we've got are fine on the bench or in for a series or two, maybe a whole game if necessary.

 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Taysom Hill is not new to the Saints or having good preseasons.  He had a good preseason last year.  The Saints traded for Bridgewater.

...and then watched him stink when he saw action.

By all accounts, they're invested in Hill. I'm not quite as clear on how invested they are in Bridgewater.

You also have to factor in that we could conceivably offer them something in trade for Bridgewater. His being cut is not the only option.

(I wouldn't, but yeah it's possible; especially with the Turner connection)

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

...and then watched him stink when he saw action.

By all accounts, they're invested in Hill. I'm not quite as clear on how invested they are in Bridgewater.

You also have to factor in that we could conceivably offer them something in trade for Bridgewater. His being cut is not the only option.

I am just not sold on preseason hall of famers.  Or the Saints being stupid and cutting someone they used a 3rd round pick to get.

If they trade him, they will want to recoup that loss.  I don't want to trade anything close to a 3rd round for Bridgewater.