SB nation article says you are stupid if you think there's a true QB controversy

[raz]

3 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Games 6, 7, and 8 prior to the steelers injury game

 

Game 6: 275 pass yards 2/1 TD/int 67.5% comp

Game 7: 219 pass yards 2/0 TD/int 72.4% comp

Game 8: 247 pass yards 2/0 TD/int 76% comp

 

Ps: Allen hasnt completed over 65% in this 4 game stretch

 

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go watch.  i don't know where you were but everyone on this board knew he was hurt before those games.  we talked about it non-stop.  this is not a shot at cam, its reality, and its reality that teams are going to make him prove he can throw accurately down the field.    

[Moo Daeng]

All these people lashing out because of the success with Allen are just scared I suppose. This is purely psychological because it sure isnt rational.

[raz]

1 minute ago, Moo Daeng said:

All these people lashing out because of the success with Allen are just scared I suppose. This is purely psychological because it sure isnt rational.

got on board when we got cam.   i get it, just been thru it before

[ncfan]

Just now, raz said:

go watch.  i don't know where you were but everyone on this board knew he was hurt before those games.  we talked about it non-stop.  this is not a shot at cam, its reality, and its reality that teams are going to make him prove he can throw accurately down the field.    

Watched it, and rewatched it on game passes

 

Cam isnt completing those pct #s etc with a "sore shoulder etc etc"

And everyone on the this board didnt mention that

They were all talking about

1. How great Norv is and how much better was

2. How Cam was putting better #s than his MVP season 

3. How the OL is Trash with Clark and was going to get Cam killed (they did vs the Steelers)

4. How terrible the D was. Rivera agreed with the fans, took over playcalling, and went to a new scheme this off season

 

 

Welcome ti the huddle

[Ja Rhule]

What made Cam different from the average Joe is his ability to run and 70 yard bombs of his back foot.  Now, he can’t run and he can’t throw bombs.  What you get with Cam now is an average QB.  Cam is not a field general like Tom Brady... he’s a mobile QB.  Cam career completion average is below 60% and his QB rating is in mid 80s.

[mav1234]

 

8 minutes ago, ncfan said:

 

Ps: Allen hasnt completed over 65% in this 4 game stretch

? You mean every game or...? He has completed more than 65% over the four games.

[raz]

1 minute ago, ncfan said:

Watched it, and rewatched it on game passes

 

Cam isnt completing those pct #s etc with a "sore shoulder etc etc"

And everyone on the this board didnt mention that

They were all talking about

1. How great Norv is and how much better was

2. How Cam was putting better #s than his MVP season 

3. How the OL is Trash with Clark and was going to get Cam killed (they did vs the Steelers)

4. How terrible the D was. Rivera agreed with the fans, took over playcalling, and went to a new scheme this off season

 

 

Welcome ti the huddle

and how he couldn't throw the ball 30 yards.   and so much yes on #4 and why the hell he didn't take over playcalling earlier.

[PhillyB]

6 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Your's or Cam's?

 

Could not resist.

i wish

 

 

 

 

 

 

wait what

[1of10Charnatives]

2 minutes ago, d-dave said:

I read this article this morning.  It makes some good points, but the biggest one to me is you have to give Cam a chance to show that he's healthy and what he can do for us.

Everyone ready to ship Cam off hasn't learned the lessons of FitzMagic or Matt Moore.  Bucky Brooks was on another show (just popped up in my YT feed) where he made that exact point (and why I am using it as well).  There have been TONS of QBs who have been flashes in the pan, who have have short bursts of brilliance, but they then slide into mediocrity.  We don't know who Kyle Allen will become, but let's not let Cam go right now.

You have to give your Franchise QB a chance earn his job back.  On Cam, he's going to have to prove that he's back to being Super Cam, or at least 6-2 Cam 2018.  If not, you short change yourself, him, and your playoff chances.  Cam has to be 100% before he trots out there.

I think that Cam will practice for a few more weeks with the team before the put him on the field.  Sure, the team has rallied around Allen, and it could be a legitimate controversy when Cam does play again.  But you have to see what he has left to give before you give up on him.  Would you want to see Cam in a Tampa uniform coming for blood twice a year, leading the Bucs to success? 

Agreed, but I think the percentage of people saying ship Cam off is extremely low. What I see right now is some people saying Allen might be more than just a backup, and people taking a reactionary response of "DON"T GET RID OF CAM!" The team is in a true dilemma because it needs to evaluate both players extensively, but only has one football team and only one qb can play at a time. Given Cam's stature as the face of the franchise and the size of his contract, I think ultimately you have to give priority to evaluating him, but people have at least two legitimate concerns about this:

1. No matter how good Cam looks when he comes back, his age and injury history mean we can never be 100% certain he'll be able to perform long term, particularly if he continues to run, so it's a gamble if we keep him and extend him.

2. People are worried that if he comes back and plays poorly it will tank our playoff chances this season with the challenging schedule lying ahead. I am personally less concerned about this because A) There's no guarantee Allen would be able to get us to the playoffs either and B) I view the issue of evaluating these two qb's as being of long term importance and supersedes just making the playoffs this year, but that's just my two cents.

[ncfan]

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

 

? You mean every game or...? He has completed more than 65% over the four games.

I stand corrected way off there

Its early, just had my coffee 

[1of10Charnatives]

Just now, ncfan said:

I stand corrected way off there

Its early, just had my coffee 

This. Legally I cannot be held responsible for the content of any posts I make pre coffee. 

[twylyght]

21 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

1 is a bad sample size 

hrm.... you're right.  To that point, we should disregard all film on Cam outside of 2015 and select games.  Ah statistical cherry-picking... what would we be without ye?

[ncfan]

5 minutes ago, ARSEN said:

What made Cam different from the average Joe is his ability to run and 70 yard bombs of his back foot.  Now, he can’t run and he can’t throw bombs.  What you get with Cam now is an average QB.  Cam is not a field general like Tom Brady... he’s a mobile QB.  Cam career completion average is below 60% and his QB rating is in mid 80s.

1. He was throwing bombs all camp.  Guess you missed the daily Samuel hype bombs

2. If his foot is TRUELY 100%, why cant he run?  Did I miss something, the he hurt something else?

[PhillyB]

Just now, twylyght said:

hrm.... you're right.  To that point, we should disregard all film on Cam outside of 2015 and select games.  Ah statistical cherry-picking... what would we be without ye?

1 is a bad sample size