Willie McGinnest talks about Kyle vs Cam

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/17/panthers-kyle-allen-cam-newton-debate-greg-olsen-video/

[Darvinsun]

I agree that until Kyle falls off the band wagon he should start. Right now Cam is an unknown commodity after injury.  If the team is winning why jeopardize it. I am a Cam Newton supporter. Haven't watched any football since he hasn't played. Not a fan of football anymore since I have witnessed so much bias against Cam. No loss except money when my number does not hit.  The sport has become so obvious to read it's like wrestling except the hits are real. Once a devout wrestling fan developed a special wrestler liked and u watch the climb and then the fall when they decide to go another route. The same is true in football, but with Cam I saw something different. A good guy who tried to be himself , help others, but unwelcome from the beginning til the end. He never was afforded any true help until he was broke. I have always said he should have left this organization after 1st contract. I wish, God allows him to comeback better than what he was and wins the ring somewhere else.  Shows that against all odds that God has his back, anointed like Sampson, then retires. Panthers ringless still until Ron is no longer the Panthers coach at least.

I am a Newton fan and proud of it. If Cam is not a panther next yr and goes to another team that's wear I will be. I know I can go now for those devout Panthers fan. I respect that.

[Darvinsun]

On 10/15/2019 at 11:34 AM, steven8989 said:

Sorry but not racist sir. I care about winning and Cam hasn't shown that in awhile. I hate reporting people and this site doesn't do anything about it.

If u have never supported Cam there is a reason outside of football capabilities. Since I doubt you haven't experienced a personal relationship with him. I don't know him either but from what I seen on the field he is a legit great QB. Well was preinjury. Team effort has always been this team problem, except 2015. Coaches were exposed in the SB..Left the players on offense out to dry. Let the media fool them into thinking that there were no flaws in their system that could be exposed. Many of Cams seasons was wasted. At some point during his tenure you should have had some light flick on and say the dude is not that bad. Sure mechanics is not perfect but every QB lacks something. It's the coordinator who is suppose to mask whatever he lacks. Coach should be on board with this, Ron contradicts Cam. Instead of saying he is not a good QB just say he doesn't fit the coach. But some of u just continue to bash him why? It's not him it's U!

[steven8989]

3 hours ago, Darvinsun said:

If u have never supported Cam there is a reason outside of football capabilities. Since I doubt you haven't experienced a personal relationship with him. I don't know him either but from what I seen on the field he is a legit great QB. Well was preinjury. Team effort has always been this team problem, except 2015. Coaches were exposed in the SB..Left the players on offense out to dry. Let the media fool them into thinking that there were no flaws in their system that could be exposed. Many of Cams seasons was wasted. At some point during his tenure you should have had some light flick on and say the dude is not that bad. Sure mechanics is not perfect but every QB lacks something. It's the coordinator who is suppose to mask whatever he lacks. Coach should be on board with this, Ron contradicts Cam. Instead of saying he is not a good QB just say he doesn't fit the coach. But some of u just continue to bash him why? It's not him it's U!

Sorry but I've always been a Cam fan, please don't come at me like I'm not. I noticed last year and first two games this year something is wrong upstairs. No many of u want to admit it but I will he is done!

[Jus Rob]

On 10/15/2019 at 11:24 AM, CPcavedweller said:

Cam Newton also checks down to McCaffrey when his first read is taken away. Allen comes off his first read pre-snap and keeps his eyes downfield before checking down to McCaffrey.

(Via CPCavedweller)

Not true ! Cam keeps the ball to long waiting for the big play down field almost always ignoring the wide open check down. Kyle is the one who checks down quicker compared to Cam. When you're check down is 22 usually good things happen.

[332nd]

I'm of the school that Kyle should play until the hot hand cools off, but I gotta say I find it interesting that for years Cam always had to do one more thing before he "deserved to be a starter". He had to win with his arm not his legs. He had to come from behind to win. He had to have a game winning drive. He had to have a winning season. He had to win a playoff game. Etc... Etc...

Yet after one game, a certain set of people were strutting around crowing "Cam Who?" and "It's so refreshing to see our QB actually talking to the coaches" and "I guess it wasn't the o-line"...

Well that last one changed a week later after those three fumbles, but anyway, it is interesting how people who were always highly critical of Cam don't need to see nearly as much from Allen to say he's worthy.

[GoPanthers123]

15 minutes ago, 332nd said:

I'm of the school that Kyle should play until the hot hand cools off, but I gotta say I find it interesting that for years Cam always had to do one more thing before he "deserved to be a starter". He had to win with his arm not his legs. He had to come from behind to win. He had to have a game winning drive. He had to have a winning season. He had to win a playoff game. Etc... Etc...

Yet after one game, a certain set of people were strutting around crowing "Cam Who?" and "It's so refreshing to see our QB actually talking to the coaches" and "I guess it wasn't the o-line"...

Well that last one changed a week later after those three fumbles, but anyway, it is interesting how people who were always highly critical of Cam don't need to see nearly as much from Allen to say he's worthy.

I’m not sure myself but after a long losing streak there is a question if Cam can still be dual threat and if he can recover to be at his peak.  

It would have been best if after Pitt game Cam would just say hey I’m injured, I need time to recover.  It would be transparent and it would be better long term not to keep taking hits.

[332nd]

2 hours ago, GoPanthers123 said:

I’m not sure myself but after a long losing streak there is a question if Cam can still be dual threat and if he can recover to be at his peak.  

It would have been best if after Pitt game Cam would just say hey I’m injured, I need time to recover.  It would be transparent and it would be better long term not to keep taking hits.

I agree. When I was 19 & fell out of a Black Hawk I tried to stick with it too. 

When you come up in a culture where you are supposed to act as if you're immortal & have a Wolverine like healing factor you do stupid poo. 

& if he had said he was hurt & no good for the team after Pitt last year, 90% of the people who say he should've spoken up then would be saying he's soft for taking himself out.

Maybe they'd say the same for Kyle, maybe they wouldn't.

[raz]

10 hours ago, 332nd said:

I agree. When I was 19 & fell out of a Black Hawk I tried to stick with it too. 

When you come up in a culture where you are supposed to act as if you're immortal & have a Wolverine like healing factor you do stupid poo. 

& if he had said he was hurt & no good for the team after Pitt last year, 90% of the people who say he should've spoken up then would be saying he's soft for taking himself out.

Maybe they'd say the same for Kyle, maybe they wouldn't.

i think most of us wanted him to be taken out way before the media picked up he was hurt last year.  nobody who is a fan of this team thinks cam is soft.  that would be a ridiculous thing to say.  dealing with some depression at this point from being in pain for so long and not looking inspired on the field, that's not soft. that's pain.   being 19 and trying to push thru is not quite the same thing as being the leader of nfl franchise at 30 and hiding injuries from the team.   its like the people who say ' when i was in high school i played really hurt' like that is the same thing as being the on field leader of a billion dollar business and hiding your inability to play because of injury.   sometimes your personal experience doesn't really relate, you just want it to.     

[raz]

18 hours ago, Darvinsun said:

I agree that until Kyle falls off the band wagon he should start. Right now Cam is an unknown commodity after injury.  If the team is winning why jeopardize it. I am a Cam Newton supporter. Haven't watched any football since he hasn't played. Not a fan of football anymore since I have witnessed so much bias against Cam. No loss except money when my number does not hit.  The sport has become so obvious to read it's like wrestling except the hits are real. Once a devout wrestling fan developed a special wrestler liked and u watch the climb and then the fall when they decide to go another route. The same is true in football, but with Cam I saw something different. A good guy who tried to be himself , help others, but unwelcome from the beginning til the end. He never was afforded any true help until he was broke. I have always said he should have left this organization after 1st contract. I wish, God allows him to comeback better than what he was and wins the ring somewhere else.  Shows that against all odds that God has his back, anointed like Sampson, then retires. Panthers ringless still until Ron is no longer the Panthers coach at least.

I am a Newton fan and proud of it. If Cam is not a panther next yr and goes to another team that's wear I will be. I know I can go now for those devout Panthers fan. I respect that.

i get it.  that's how i am with the nba.  my favorite team has been the team lebron is on, whatever team that is.  and now lebron went and ruined that for me.  and i appreciate you understanding that most of us here aren't that way, we're panthers fans thru and thru.

[Navy_football]

I agree that Kyle is hot and the team is playing well. Personally wouldn't jeopardize that while it's working by replacing him with an injured Cam - even remotely injured. 

But some of the narratives about Cam's inability to pass accurately or get the ball out quickly, or even read defenses or go through his progressions - are stupid. Yes you sound stupid. Either that or you have ulterior motives. Get out of your feelings. You're doing it to yourself.

If you want to argue that Kyle's cap hit would be beneficial to the team's future - ok. If you want to argue that Kyle fits Norv's system better than Cam - ok. I may not agree but I can respect your opinion. But this Cam is only a runner that can't pass, or lead, or call plays, or get out of the huddle is getting ridiculous. Stop being idiots. Even a football forum has some expectation of rational opinion. You don't need to be objective. That's your choice. But at least don't come off as idiots, or worse.

[OriginalPantherDan]

On 10/15/2019 at 11:23 AM, Green_Tea said:

Deion Sanders said yesterday that he loves Cam but Carolina should keep starting Allen. Said if it ain't broke don't fix it.  I figured once Cam is healthy he'll be the starter but maybe Carolina will just keep rolling with Allen even when Cam is ready to go. 

Have to say I agree with this. I’m a big Cam supporter and fan, and Cam may be back eventually, but if we are winning why mess with success? 

[MadHatter]

On 10/15/2019 at 2:35 PM, Navy_football said:

Willie McGinnest doesn't know anything about the Panthers and Cam Newton. FTR I think he's a really good game analyst, but I honestly don't think he watches the Panthers unless they're playing NE. 

If Cam comes back healthy, he is a better option than Kyle. Now that might change in a year or two. Kyle has shown a ton of potential to be great! But right now, Kyle at his best can't touch Cam at his best. Cam just needs to stop trying to appease the masses and run the ball when it's there. Watson, Rodgers, Lamar Jackson, Wilson and Mahomes all made big plays with their feet in their last games - and they're the favorites for this year's MVP. The name of the game is moving the chains and getting another set of downs to work with. No one cares how you do it. 

The real question that has to be answered is....what does a “healthy” Cam mean.

Do you mean a 30 yo qb whose foot is healed....but who still can’t throw the ball downfield and be a major part if the running game?  If that is him being healthy, I am not sure he is the best option.

if it means he comes back and can physically and mentally do the things (deep ball and running) that made him a unique and dangerous weapon.

my fear is that it will be the former.

with the way Cam played the game, his body has taken hits and a pounding more like a rb than a qb.....and rb’s physically fall off when they approach 30 yo.  Just like Cam’s is doing now.

given the big cap cost and his recent u jury history, I would not be surprised to see Tepper not invest big money into a risky asset. 

[ickmule]

35 minutes ago, Nesbro1 said:

It's not opinions it's fact. 

When was our last delay of game?

When was the last time we were burning time outs?

Cam accurate? No. The reason they drafted Funchess and KB was because everything was 6 feet over the receivers head.

We have consistently gotten very little YAC with Cam.  Not because the receivers lacked ability but because either the pass was late, high, behind or low so all they could do was catch it.

It's also why people only pointing to his completion percentage are off.

You can have a bad pass be complete. What was the location and timing of the completion. 

If you don't get that he's a generational athlete but average QB from the passing perspective then you may want to go to Lenscrafters. 

I’ve gotten blasted for years for saying pretty much what you just said.  Cam is a super athlete, he’s just not a great QB......especially if you take away his running ability.