What QB does Kyle Allen remind you of?

[Davidson Deac II]

nm

[ecu88]

44 minutes ago, SmartyHurney said:

No, now you're literally lying. I watched the All-22 of 3 games, the last two and the Cardinals game.

You're literally just lying to save face. That's sad.

KA has pulled TEs for presnap protection. He uses motion a lot for coverage hints.

We get it, you hate KA. It is cool. 

 

[CRA]

for the Kyle haters.  

The deep ball issues seem to be a problem not for Kyle but for Norv’s offense and these WRs. 

2018 Cam Newton prior to Pittsburgh on throws of 20+ yards 

0-2

0-3

0-0

0-3

0-4 (1 INT)

1-1

1-1

0-1

Pittsburgh (0-0)

Took Cam 6 games to make just his first completion downfield.  

Pretty sure we agree Cam was good in that window 

[SmartyHurney]

10 minutes ago, ecu88 said:

KA has pulled TEs for presnap protection. He uses motion a lot for coverage hints.

We get it, you hate KA. It is cool. 

 

Literally has never happened. What we're doing with Kyle is running a vanilla offense with a lot of pre-snap motion. That has nothing to do with Kyle, that's how the play is designed. We're asking everyone on the offense to make it easier for Kyle.

You're being obtuse.

[*FreeFua*]

32 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

And all three were incomplete. The deep ball is the glaring weakness in Kyle's game. Every deep ball is underthrown. Even one of his two 20+ yard completions in that game was underthrown and DJ made a great play on a tipped ball anyway. 

IMO, if we move forward with Allen beyond this season, the offense has to be overhauled. We have to move more toward a west coast style offense. Allen is good at making quick decisions and he's a very good short to intermediate passer. But, he doesn't have a deep ball. We have to get guys wide open deep or rely on a receiver to make a great play because the ball is going to be underthrown.

Yep this is spot on. Kyle’s really good at the short intermediate stuff but his deep ball accuracy is awful. It’s not an issue of arm strength, I believe he has it. It’s simply accuracy and it’s been a problem for him since his college days. 
 

On Sunday, Samuel had an easy 6 but Allen didn’t put enough air on it and allowed for the defender to make a play on it. 

 

[Davidson Deac II]

Craig Morton

Or Shane Falco.

[Forty-Eight]

Kyle Orton

[PghPanther]

Mike Tomczak.......to the pin and like Tomczak will have about the same forgettable career.

This team needs a new oline before they think of wasting another QB............

[ecu88]

10 minutes ago, SmartyHurney said:

Literally has never happened. What we're doing with Kyle is running a vanilla offense with a lot of pre-snap motion. That has nothing to do with Kyle, that's how the play is designed. We're asking everyone on the offense to make it easier for Kyle.

You're being obtuse.

So Brady runs a vanilla offense with tons of motion to make it easier?

An OC job is to design and make plays easier on all and sometimes the KISS method works the best.

Football is not static and not checkers. Football is dynamic and more chess than checkers.

Motion helps undercover coverage schemes. Motion also serves as a decoy or to gain advantage of field play.

Motion is a highly sophisticated tool for QBs to use.

[electro's horse]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

Young Matt Ryan 

when he gets green lights he is willing to let it fly downfield.  Something Cousins and Smith naturally prefer not to so I don’t like those comparisons.  

ding ding. 

body makeup, throw, everything. i think Ryan is a little taller, throws over the top a little better, but Kyle looks exactly like Ryan did about halfway through his second season. Remember, for the first year and a half, Ryan just handed the ball off to Turner or threw PA outs to Roddy White. It took him a few years to learn how to read difference and find the holes in coverages. 

Allen is already starting to do that. 

Ryan has never had the biggest arm in the league, but he's still learned to be one of the most prolific passers just by understanding coverages and knowing where his receivers are going to be. 

[therealmjl]

3 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

ding ding. 

body makeup, throw, everything. i think Ryan is a little taller, throws over the top a little better, but Kyle looks exactly like Ryan did about halfway through his second season. Remember, for the first year and a half, Ryan just handed the ball off to Turner or threw PA outs to Roddy White. It took him a few years to learn how to read difference and find the holes in coverages. 

Allen is already starting to do that. 

Ryan has never had the biggest arm in the league, but he's still learned to be one of the most prolific passers just by understanding coverages and knowing where his receivers are going to be. 

Just lol.

Even if Kyle Allen is Matt Ryan we are still screwed because we don’t have and never will have a Julio Jones. 

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, mjligon said:

Just lol.

Even if Kyle Allen is Matt Ryan we are still screwed because we don’t have and never will have a Julio Jones. 

There isn’t just one way to skin a cat.    

You have to build around what a QB does well.  We have most of the pieces. 

Best dynamic pass catching RB? 

Parts for a short to intermediate pass attack which he excels in? Check. 

We need a WR on the outside that has height.  It is a glaring omission.   We don’t need the entire O to go through that and be built around that like Atlanta does.  

 

[SmartyHurney]

18 minutes ago, ecu88 said:

So Brady runs a vanilla offense with tons of motion to make it easier?

An OC job is to design and make plays easier on all and sometimes the KISS method works the best.

Football is not static and not checkers. Football is dynamic and more chess than checkers.

Motion helps undercover coverage schemes. Motion also serves as a decoy or to gain advantage of field play.

Motion is a highly sophisticated tool for QBs to use.

This is what I mean by obtuse. You're looking at something that has nothing to do with my original statement to prove I'm wrong. Pre-snap motion is almost always going to happen, unless the play is changed and there's too little time. What they're doing with Kyle is having lots of a pre-snap motion, more than the average team to help disguise the primary target. Why? Because it's pretty much the only read Kyle is making. It's not that complicated, you can check my post history I stated this a week ago as well. They're doing so much pre-snap to help Allen. Allen is not commanding anything, or changing anything, he's either handing it off or hitting his first read / the checkdown.

[bandu]

an AlLiEN gunslinger