Cam doesn’t seem ready to go...

[TheRed]

Not sure why some people are still trying to hide their true feelings about the guy. You can practically see the glee in some of these posts about how he is finally for certain heading out the door. As if they had been merely tolerating him all along and now they can finally rejoice.

[micnificent28]

7 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Not sure why some people are still trying to hide their true feelings about the guy. You can practically see the glee in some of these posts about how he is finally for certain heading out the door. As if they had been merely tolerating him all along and now they can finally rejoice.

Cough someone with Mr. In their name cough cough.

[Sgt Schultz]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Maybe, but predicting a football season and talkin about what's actually happening inside the Panthers offices are two different things.

 

The problem is I don't have any more faith in them doing one better than the other.  In most cases, they are sniffing for crumbs and trying to connect dots.  Some teams are even smart enough to handle that by spreading out a little misinformation along the way. 

I'm sure the Tepper-run Panthers have had discussions about what we do if Cam is done, in their assessment.  That does not mean they are planning to hasten that or they've reached a decision.  It is just common sense. 

I am also confident Tepper has had his own thoughts of what to do about life after Rivera and/or Hurney. 

And to your last post, this same dilemma will come with Luke, CMC, and the others.  As you know and have stated, quite contrary to the way fans think, the best organizations usually cut the cord a year or two before the downslide, most of the rest wait until the slide is in progress and they get little to nothing in return.  It's cold, but it's the way it goes.

In this case, I don't see much of an upside to making the decision now (or at the end of the year).  Unlike many, I don't think we would get any great trade offers because of the injury questions and incomplete returns on improving his passing accuracy.  Like I said earlier (perhaps a different thread), we save about $19M in cap space in 2020, but otherwise, there is not much to gain. 

The cap space might look much more attractive to Hurney and Rivera's replacements, if they are going to start a major change in the roster.  That much I would concede.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

Oh look.

People that have been whining non stop about wanting Cam and others to leave are twisting the words with "sources" saying this shows he is out the door.

Why am I not surprised?

Sometimes I hate the fanbase.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, micnificent28 said:

Cough someone with Mr. In their name cough cough.

Aaahh, this ignorance again.

And again, I think you have to be pretty stupid to not be able to understand the difference between acknowledging what could happen and wanting it to happen. Tried to explain that several times, but some folks still don't get it.

I spent all of 2015 hoping for a Super Bowl victory. I was extremely disappointed when we didn't get it. Hell, I've spent every year of my Panthers fandom hoping for a Super Bowl. Still waiting...

I'd also add that's what's really dumb about acknowledging that the team is moving on from Newton would be assuming that our future quarterback has a lighter pigment. That's not guaranteed.

If it's Kyle Allen, sure, but that's not guaranteed either. Some of the top quarterback prospects for next year's draft happen to be black. Who's to say we don't get one of them?

If you want to continue indulging this dumbassery, feel free. Just do so understanding that it makes you look like a moron.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

28 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

None of the ones I'm seeing say that he wants to.

A lot of them say the team is ready to move on.

Citation needed. 

You aren't doing a good job this time around of riding Kyle Allen while really pretending like you are on the fence and just..by golly.  Want to support the Panthers regardless of who is QB.

You are making it perfectly clear through your misguided translation of Cam's statements you want him gone.  

And its pitiful this narrative you keep pushing.

[Cpt slay a ho]

We been down the road of “saving cap” space before, didn’t end well.

you run the risk of parting with cam and him ending up in your conference or division, Having to face him or him propelling another franchise to a Super Bowl, that is what’s at stake, so before you cut ties you better make sure the cam Newton well is dry, I’m sure the colts have some regret in hindsight 

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

The problem is I don't have any more faith in them doing one better than the other.  In most cases, they are sniffing for crumbs and trying to connect dots.  Some teams are even smart enough to handle that by spreading out a little misinformation along the way. 

I'm sure the Tepper-run Panthers have had discussions about what we do if Cam is done, in their assessment.  That does not mean they are planning to hasten that or they've reached a decision.  It is just common sense. 

I am also confident Tepper has had his own thoughts of what to do about life after Rivera and/or Hurney. 

And to your last post, this same dilemma will come with Luke, CMC, and the others.  As you know and have stated, quite contrary to the way fans think, the best organizations usually cut the cord a year or two before the downslide, most of the rest wait until the slide is in progress and they get little to nothing in return.  It's cold, but it's the way it goes.

In this case, I don't see much of an upside to making the decision now (or at the end of the year).  Unlike many, I don't think we would get any great trade offers because of the injury questions and incomplete returns on improving his passing accuracy.  Like I said earlier (perhaps a different thread), we save about $19M in cap space in 2020, but otherwise, there is not much to gain. 

The cap space might look much more attractive to Hurney and Rivera's replacements, if they are going to start a major change in the roster.  That much I would concede.

Can't say I have much confidence in them either.

There's definitely an opportunity to move on to new leadership next year. I think it'd be a good idea.

Whether or not it's going to happen? Who can say?

[micnificent28]

3 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Citation needed. 

You aren't doing a good job this time around of riding Kyle Allen while really pretending like you are on the fence and just..by golly.  Want to support the Panthers regardless of who is QB.

You are making it perfectly clear through your misguided translation of Cam's statements you want him gone.  

And its pitiful this narrative you keep pushing.

This....

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Aaahh, this ignorance again.

And again, I think you have to be pretty stupid to not be able to understand the difference between acknowledging what could happen and wanting it to happen. Tried to explain that several times, but some folks still don't get it.

I spent all of 2015 hoping for a Super Bowl victory. I was extremely disappointed when we didn't get it. Hell, I've spent every year of my Panthers fandom hoping for a Super Bowl. Still waiting...

I'd also add that's what's really dumb about acknowledging that the team is moving on from Newton would be assuming that our future quarterback has a lighter pigment. That's not guaranteed.

If it's Kyle Allen, sure, but that's not guaranteed either. Some of the top quarterback prospects for next year's draft happen to be black. Who's to say we don't get one of them?

If you want to continue indulging this dumbassery, feel free. Just do so understanding that it makes you look like a moron.

But then he acts like I'm the dumbass because I'm calling him out for what we all can see clearly as day. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Citation needed. 

You aren't doing a good job this time around of riding Kyle Allen while really pretending like you are on the fence and just..by golly.  Want to support the Panthers regardless of who is QB.

You are making it perfectly clear through your misguided translation of Cam's statements you want him gone.  

And its pitiful this narrative you keep pushing.

I had an old girlfriend who used to take what I actually said and try to turn it around to something that I "really meant". Even after I'd tell her it wasn't so, she'd keep trying to argue the same thing.

She was crazy, of course.

But let me ask you this. If you took everything written about the possibility Newton not being here next year and erased it from this board, would it change what's going to happen?

Quick Tip: It won't.

We could all write a dozen stories about how Newton's going to come back to full health next year, play at an MVP level and win the next five Super Bowls. Lord knows that a lot more fun to watch than seeing us rebuild from the ground up.

Unfortunately, that'd be a fantasy.

And unless you have a way of getting in touch with Mr. Roark, fantasies don't tend to come true.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

This....

But then he acts like I'm the dumbass because I'm calling him out for what we all can see clearly as day. 

I'll ask you the same question.

Do you think if we took away all the current speculation and only wrote happy happy thoughts about what's going to happen next year, it would make a difference?

Feel free to believe that if it makes you feel better.

Pretty good chance you'll be disappointed though...

[JawnyBlaze]

JFC people could possibly read this as a goodbye?!?!  I guess you can make yourself interpret things however you want.  

[Sgt Schultz]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Can't say I have much confidence in them either.

There's definitely an opportunity to move on to new leadership next year. I think it'd be a good idea.

Whether or not it's going to happen? Who can say?

And if that does happen, and I certainly don't think it is a bad idea, all bets on this subject are off.  It would not be the first time an icon was moved along because the new brain trust did not see them fitting into what they wanted to do.  Sometimes it works, sometimes not.

[uncfan888]

28 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Not sure why some people are still trying to hide their true feelings about the guy. You can practically see the glee in some of these posts about how he is finally for certain heading out the door. As if they had been merely tolerating him all along and now they can finally rejoice.

Bad thing is that we're heading back into that nightmare hell scape of having no franchise QB. And a lot of people are excited about