Cosell Packer Breakdown

[Black&BlueBubba]

From a macro perspective.  Run game has to be the foundation for the Panthers and defense to be solid/ elite at times. Kyle has to be efficient and make 3/4 critical throws to win the game. He did that agains the titans. 

The 32 yarder to Samuel on 3rd and 7 was a big time throw.  Good throw to Moore when Moore had to toe tap and it got reviewed.  He made those 3/4 good throws last week against the Titans and helped to win the game.  

Allen has shown improved movement in the pocket.  Has shown some natural toughness in the pocket.  One thing that has impressed Cosell is that he is a “turn it loose thrower”.  Qbs have to make tough throws in tight windows  or to receivers against man coverage that seem to be covered and he has shown the confidence to turn it loose.  

While the stats for CMC with Kyle 
under center are better, it does not mean that the team is better off not running zone read like they did with Cam.  He said you can’t really make that comparison because it’s not about the zone read it’s about the personnel. In zone read they are in 11 personnel where when Kyle is under center they are in base personnel.  It shows they have run better under base personnel, clearly.  But they are different schemes.  He can’t say it’s a QB thing, he doesn’t have a why answer yet.  But it is there.   (It could mean either 2 TE sets or Armah doing a good job blocking.  Look for a bunch of base sets in GB with the weather against the beatable run D)

Shaq brings a lot to the defense.  Multidimensional.  Can play in the box and in space. Nice chess piece to have.  Good player.

GB: The tackles struggled against LAC. But they aren’t really a weakness.   They do have a better run pass balance with Lefluer as HC.  More efficient.  Aaron Jones is good in run and pass game. Rodgers does hold the ball a long time looking for second level throws.  

Pettine the DC for GB plays a lot of dime and nickel personnel. Move. A lot people around. Key element in the game is how GB will match up against our base personnel.  Will he stay in nickel or dime?  He has stayed with those looks a lot against base and they are not good in dime against the run. (Thats’s obvious. But they still stay with sometimes which is odd. Look for CMC to run the poo out of the ball out of base personnel) 

GB is capable of running the ball but have not shown commitment to it.  It will be an interesting thing to watch coming off a bad game in LA what the GB will come out and try to do. 

Until next week.  

[BurnHurnBurn]

What no "The Athletic" article?

Much disappoint. 

[Moo Daeng]

I didnt interpret the under center run game to be about the QB at all. I heard the interview on WFNZ regarding this. Did they try to push this as being about Kyke vs Cam? If so that's dumb. Its just about the calls, blocking, and probably that ther isnt years of shotgun run film for the defense to key on.

[Moose Hoover]

43 minutes ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

 

Question: where can I find these breakdowns for other teams?

[jfra78]

49 minutes ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

From a macro perspective.  Run game has to be the foundation for the Panthers and defense to be solid/ elite at times. Kyle has to be efficient and make 3/4 critical throws to win the game. He did that agains the titans. 

The 32 yarder to Samuel on 3rd and 7 was a big time throw.  Good throw to Moore when Moore had to toe tap and it got reviewed.  He made those 3/4 good throws last week against the Titans and helped to win the game.  

Allen has shown improved movement in the pocket.  Has shown some natural toughness in the pocket.  One thing that has impressed Cosell is that he is a “turn it loose thrower”.  Qbs have to make tough throws in tight windows  or to receivers against man coverage that seem to be covered and he has shown the confidence to turn it loose.  

While the stats for CMC with Kyle 
under center are better, it does not mean that the team is better off not running zone read like they did with Cam.  He said you can’t really make that comparison because it’s not about the zone read it’s about the personnel. In zone read they are in 11 personnel where when Kyle is under center they are in base personnel.  It shows they have run better under base personnel, clearly.  But they are different schemes.  He can’t say it’s a QB thing, he doesn’t have a why answer yet.  But it is there.   (It could mean either 2 TE sets or Armah doing a good job blocking.  Look for a bunch of base sets in GB with the weather against the beatable run D)

Shaq brings a lot to the defense.  Multidimensional.  Can play in the box and in space. Nice chess piece to have.  Good player.

GB: The tackles struggled against LAC. But they aren’t really a weakness.   They do have a better run pass balance with Lefluer as HC.  More efficient.  Aaron Jones is good in run and pass game. Rodgers does hold the ball a long time looking for second level throws.  

Pettine the DC for GB plays a lot of dime and nickel personnel. Move. A lot people around. Key element in the game is how GB will match up against our base personnel.  Will he stay in nickel or dime?  He has stayed with those looks a lot against base and they are not good in dime against the run. (Thats’s obvious. But they still stay with sometimes which is odd. Look for CMC to run the poo out of the ball out of base personnel) 

GB is capable of running the ball but have not shown commitment to it.  It will be an interesting thing to watch coming off a bad game in LA what the GB will come out and try to do. 

Until next week.  

Kyle Allen actually made plays that helped the team win?  That's not consistent with what the Huddle has told me

[jfra78]

5 minutes ago, Moose Hoover said:

Question: where can I find these breakdowns for other teams?

Maybe on their local radio station?

[Moose Hoover]

Just now, jfra78 said:

Maybe on their local radio station?

maybe you are

[Black&BlueBubba]

45 minutes ago, BurnHurnBurn said:

What no "The Athletic" article?

Much disappoint. 

I think you have the wrong guy.  
 

 

[Black&BlueBubba]

19 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Kyle Allen actually made plays that helped the team win?  That's not consistent with what the Huddle has told me

So to be clear Cosell gives really good breakdowns.  But he never criticizes and individual player.  He will criticize a group.  He avoided the part about Allen’s rocky start.  

[Black&BlueBubba]

47 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

I didnt interpret the under center run game to be about the QB at all. I heard the interview on WFNZ regarding this. Did they try to push this as being about Kyke vs Cam? If so that's dumb. Its just about the calls, blocking, and probably that ther isnt years of shotgun run film for the defense to key on.

They didn’t really push the Kyle vs. Cam under center thing.  They were asking in general about why CMC’s stats were different with a QB under center. 
I put that part in there so this thread did not give credence the the Kyle over Cam thing.  Cosell said he couldn’t make that determination whether it was that or a personnel thing that made it work.  There were other threads on here about how CMC was better with Kyle.  I was just trying to point out that if one of the best in the business couldn’t make that determination then we as weekend warrior GM’s shouldn’t be jumping to the conclusion that CMC is better with Kyle because he will play under center.  
 

Just trying to be unbiased and just give you guys the facts.  

[mc52beast]

1 hour ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

They didn’t really push the Kyle vs. Cam under center thing.  They were asking in general about why CMC’s stats were different with a QB under center. 
I put that part in there so this thread did not give credence the the Kyle over Cam thing.  Cosell said he couldn’t make that determination whether it was that or a personnel thing that made it work.  There were other threads on here about how CMC was better with Kyle.  I was just trying to point out that if one of the best in the business couldn’t make that determination then we as weekend warrior GM’s shouldn’t be jumping to the conclusion that CMC is better with Kyle because he will play under center.  
 

Just trying to be unbiased and just give you guys the facts.  

Wait a minute... you’re trying to be unbiased AND give us facts??? You definitely don’t belong on the Huddle

[Peppers90 NC]

5 hours ago, jfra78 said:

Kyle Allen actually made plays that helped the team win?  That's not consistent with what the Huddle has told me

Now now don’t take 8-10 guys and make them the majority. They’re just louder from enragement. 

[Black&BlueBubba]

The troubling thing is how Cosell points out that we NEED to run the ball and have Kyle make 3-4 key throws.  That is fine but if we fall behind it’s still uncertain whether Kyle can can throw the team in his back when trailing by a couple scores.  It didn’t bode well at SF when that happened.  I hope he can continue to progress and be able to win a shootout at some point.  Without that we may be a playoff team but not really a contender that can win in all kinds of games. 

[Happy Panther]

34 minutes ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

The troubling thing is how Cosell points out that we NEED to run the ball and have Kyle make 3-4 key throws.  That is fine but if we fall behind it’s still uncertain whether Kyle can can throw the team in his back when trailing by a couple scores.  It didn’t bode well at SF when that happened.  I hope he can continue to progress and be able to win a shootout at some point.  Without that we may be a playoff team but not really a contender that can win in all kinds of games. 

I get the feeling Kyle is learning quickly. They say he calmed down during the Titans game overcoming whatever jitters/issue he started with. I would like to think that if we get down early he has learned from the Niners game.

Winning a shootout against GB would be amazing.