Graham Gano has surgery. Will he be a Panther next year?

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's a very real possibility.

If it results in us building a perennial contender though, I'll take that.

Yeah that part we aren't going to know for a while, if it indeed happens. 

I am not at all looking forward to the future. Normally I would be pretty optimistic about a new direction but this time around the outcomes seem to be almost assuredly negative for the foreseeable future. There are really pretty limited positive results when you break it all down.

As I said, it could be a very tough and very long stretch for Panthers fans.

[Happy Panther]

This team is like a failing dam. Little holes keep popping up.

Me: Hey maybe it will hold.

Internet. What about  the third highest paid kicker in the league with a big hole in his knee and $4M in dead money?

Me: 

[Khyber53]

Hope the guy fully recovers. We can worry about that when, or if, it happens. The guy's health is the most important thing.

[TheRed]

9 minutes ago, WarPanthers89 said:

What about the 3 million in dead cap for a kicker? 

That's how business goes. Sometimes you gotta take your lumps. Might as well start getting used to that now if we are heading for a rebuild like it's looking.  Out with the old in with the new. Such is life.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Happy Panther said:

This team is like a failing dam. Little holes keep popping up.

Me: Hey maybe it will hold.

Internet. What about  the third highest paid kicker in the league with a big hole in his knee and $4M in dead money?

Me: 

We can cut him as a Post June-1 and it will help relieve some of that. We still have a mountain of dead money from Matt Kalil's contract for next year.

No matter what the scenarios, this was always going to be a really tough offseason with regards to personnel decisions.

[thefuzz]

10 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

This team is like a failing dam. Little holes keep popping up.

Me: Hey maybe it will hold.

Internet. What about  the third highest paid kicker in the league with a big hole in his knee and $4M in dead money?

Me: 

This is the type of stuff that happens when you have a dummy in the GM's seat.

The Gano thing, lumped on top of pushing the dead money back on Trai and KK's deals were just braindead moves.

[Peon Awesome]

Are we really worried about a dead cap of $3 million? Don't forget that if we keep Gano, we are paying him $4.5 million. So we still save $1.5 million by cutting him. Even factoring in Slye's whopping $400,000 salary, that's still $1 million extra in cap space. The question you have to ask yourself is whether you'd rather have Gano, who won't have been healthy in 2 years and coming off knee surgery, or Slye plus $1 million (not even mentioning the extra $5 million in 2021). 

You could feasibly make an argument for it if Gano didn't have his injury situation but hard to justify given we don't know what Gano we're getting. But I wish him well.

[Happy Panther]

4 minutes ago, Peon Awesome said:

Are we really worried about a dead cap of $3 million?

According to this we will have the second most dead money going in to 2020 so another $3M from a kicker kind of stings. It's not a season ruiner or anything.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2020/

[Mr. Scot]

15 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

This is the type of stuff that happens when you have a dummy in the GM's seat.

The Gano thing, lumped on top of pushing the dead money back on Trai and KK's deals were just braindead moves.

Two dummies...

I firmly believe Ron Rivera was a big reason why we kept Gano over Butker and paid him like we did.

And that's a big part of why the two of them are such a lousy combo. They seem to agree on a lot of things, an unfortunate percentage of which happen to be wrong.

[hepcat]

They’re idiots if they bring him back. Going old and injured worth your players is a recipe for losing 

[WarPanthers89]

20 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

According to this we will have the second most dead money going in to 2020 so another $3M from a kicker kind of stings. It's not a season ruiner or anything.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2020/

This. Also, what if someone offers a 5th for Slye? Does it make the decision easier to take a chance with Gano? We know he kicked better than Slye, and will have plenty of time to heal by next year.

(I don’t think this will happen, but for discussion sake) 

[thefuzz]

3 minutes ago, WarPanthers89 said:

This. Also, what if someone offers a 5th for Slye? Does it make the decision easier to take a chance with Gano? We know he kicked better than Slye, and will have plenty of time to heal by next year.

 

No, we are rebuilding after this season, it's almost guaranteed.  That means growing pains, younger players, etc....Gano has to be shown the door.  We have boofed this one once already, let's not add more gasoline to the fire.

 

[TheRed]

Trading a young cheap talent in favor of an aging high paid kicker coming off knee surgery sounds like a Jerry Richardson franchise move if there ever was one. Especially one such as ours already in the midst of a down year.

Also, it seems odd to point out how Gano kicks better than Slye while suspiciously omitting the fact Rivera intentionally held Gano back on long range kicks because he didn't trust his accuracy.

[thefuzz]

5 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Trading a young cheap talent in favor of an aging high paid kicker coming off knee surgety sounds like a Jerry Richardson franchise move if there ever was one. Especially one such as ours already in the midst of a down year.

Also, it seems odd to point out how Gano kicks better than Slye while suspiciously omitting the fact Rivera intentionally held Gano back on long range kicks because he didn't trust his accuracy.

It's a weird disease for sure.

That said, I think this is a Ron thing, much more so than anyone else.

During Ron's career here, we have paid top kicker money to two different kickers...neither were good investments....but you gotta get those touch backs on kickoff ya know?

First Mare, then Gano.  Man this coach and front office are hard to root for.