How long could you handle...

[ellis]

3 minutes ago, hepcat said:

If the Panthers don’t make the playoffs for like 10+ years straight like the Bucs I would lose faith in everything football related 

Just think about that, how depressing that is. And every year, the media hypes TB up to be the Darkhorse. 
 

This is like the 12th year in a row they’ve done it.

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Ummmmm, no.  It doesn't.

So it's one of two things, he's covering for the current regime (winning takes time) or he's hinting at letting them go.  If that's the case I doubt Tepper would mince words.  If Hurn-Ron was really in the hot seat, I doubt he would have trouble saying so.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Ummmmm, no.  It doesn't.

To be fair, it could be interpreted that way.

I don't, but I acknowledge the possibility.

[thefuzz]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

David Tepper recently admitted that it might take a period of losing in order to get the team where he wanted it to be.

The question: How long?

How long would you be able to put up with the growing pains that it might take to build a perennial contender?

At what point might you start to lose faith in Tepper's ownership? And if you did, what would that mean?  What would you do?

I see at least a 2, if not 3 year building process ahead of us to be a consistent winning team.  If could happen sooner, if luck falls our way, or it may not happen at all, if we put the wrong people in place.

End of the day, we will need to dump assets, dump contracts, get cheaper and healthier at QB, and build the lines.  If that happens, and we have a couple of good drafts, we absolutely can make a push within 3 years, especially if the Bucs maintain their trajectory, and the Falcons and Saints move on from their current QB's.

Winning the division within 3 years should be the goal, with 2 seasons being a nice surprise.

One thing that is absolutely going to be a problem is offensive line.  Most teams are bad there currently, and we don't really have any building blocks to start the new build around currently, maybe Moton.  IF we can build a good O Line....and that's a tall order, I think that we can get good fairly quickly.  If not, we may just ruin another QB or two if not careful.

[WarPanthers89]

2 years max with the pieces we have in place. We have some very talented young players who will continue to develop and will be absolute stars if they continue to grow over the next two years (Moore, Burns, Jackson, Moton) a top corner in Bradberry, a potential MVP in CMC, and one of the best LBs in the league in Kuechly. If we get decent play at QB and add a couple pieces we should be able to compete quick, but the QB position will determine a lot. 

[ellis]

Also, fans do need to manage their expectations. And that comes down to the owner, as well. Having billions of dollars and being mad about losing doesn’t guarantee you future success in the NFL. People should maintain a critical eye on ownership, in every market. He seems like a really fun dude, and I’m glad, but winning is all that matters. 

I do think his intentions are good and solid. I don’t question his intentions. But we have to see a larger sample size of results before determining how proficient he is at managing a football org. 

So far, it’s just leftovers from the JR administration. Like I said, let’s see it play out. 

[Mr. Scot]

The new stadium talk really does seem to have riled a lot of people 

And yeah, I'll grant maybe this wasn't the best time to bring that up.

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

So it's one of two things, he's covering for the current regime (winning takes time) or he's hinting at letting them go.  If that's the case I doubt Tepper would mince words.  If Hurn-Ron was really in the hot seat, I doubt he would have trouble saying so.

Why say it when you can clearly see that's the case?

Ron and Marty (well, at least Ron) deserve to see the end of this season.  Nothing more.  We aren't all of a sudden going to make a playoff push if we get rid of them at this point in the season, and it creates a negative stigma around a team to do so....IMO.

Have the Steelers ever fired a coach mid season?

IMO what he is saying is get prepared for a WHOLE lot of change and please be aware that winning in the NFL is hard, and it may take the new regime a while to get this ship righted.

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, ellis said:

Also, fans do need to manage their expectations. And that comes down to the owner, as well. Having billions of dollars and being mad about losing doesn’t guarantee you future success in the NFL. People should maintain a critical eye on the owner, always. He seems like a really fun dude, and I’m glad, but winning is all that matters. 

My former brother-in-law was a really fun guy to be around.

Ability wise, I wouldn't trust him to run a lemonade stand.

[rippadonn]

3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

If that's the case, it is very unfortunate for a couple of reasons.  For starters, that sounds like he's planning on retaining Hurn-Ron at one more year despite the season spiraling out of control.  Secondly, it sounds like he's admitting that creating a consistent winner in the NFL is a much taller order than he had hoped.  Coming from a club like the Steelers, consistently good teams were the norm, but that's the exception, not the rule.  Aside from the Steelers and a select few other clubs, being a consistent winner is a much steeper hill to climb than one would think.

Totally agree. New England and the Steelers take measured approaches often in the face of hasty fan bases. People wanted Brady and Belicheat gone long ago and with those teams favor that they carry it's even harder to "win". It's easy to be a failure in the NFL. To join the failing teams( of which the Panthers are not currently) willingly and hastily is the absolute worst thing Tepper could do.

Hope and Change into what exactly? Is there a coaching genius nobody has every heard of? Is there a slam dunk GM out there?

The Panthers have been blessed with relative success. I would hate to see a downward spiral just to satisfy boredom.

It's not easy to "win" in the NFL.

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, rippadonn said:

Totally agree. New England and the Steelers take measured approaches often in the face of hasty fan bases. People wanted Brady and Belicheat gone long ago and with those teams favor that they carry it's even harder to "win". It's easy to be a failure in the NFL. To join the failing teams( of which the Panthers are not currently) willingly and hastily is the absolute worst thing Tepper could do.

Hope and Change into what exactly? Is there a coaching genius nobody has every heard of? Is there a slam dunk GM out there?

The Panthers have been blessed with relative success. I would hate to see a downward spiral just to satisfy boredom.

It's not easy to "win" in the NFL.

Relative success?  We have had 7 winning seasons in our entire history.  7.

 

[ellis]

The stadium politics stuff, that’s just going to happen. I’m not wrapped up in that. I’m much more interested in seeing him put together a winning football product. I’ll be the first to tell you that he’s done a good job on the business side. Really has. But you are what your record it is, and that goes for ownership as well. 

[45catfan]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

Why say it when you can clearly see that's the case?

Ron and Marty (well, at least Ron) deserve to see the end of this season.  Nothing more.  We aren't all of a sudden going to make a playoff push if we get rid of them at this point in the season, and it creates a negative stigma around a team to do so....IMO.

Have the Steelers ever fired a coach mid season?

IMO what he is saying is get prepared for a WHOLE lot of change and please be aware that winning in the NFL is hard, and it may take the new regime a while to get this ship righted.

Outside of rainbows, puppy dogs and plain old wishful thinking, your avid sports fans realizes that.  Yes, one in a while a new coaching staff comes in and sets the League ablaze.  So to your point, it sounds like he's addressing the fair weather fans.

[45catfan]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The new stadium talk really does seem to have riled a lot of people 

nd yeah, I'll grant maybe this wasn't the best time to suggest that.

Yep, create a consistent winner and then talk about shafting the tax payers with a new stadium.  Very premature on his part and right now extremely unpalatable.