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Can we rebuild quickly without the 20 million cap savings?

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1 hour ago, philit99 said:

Yep let’s trade that Cam Newron guy for a high pick. I have never even heard of Cam Newron so he must not be any good.

Cam hasnt been healthy in 2 years, lost 30 pounds of muscle, is inaccurate and can no longer run the ball. You guys are still living in 2015...

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1 minute ago, firefox1234 said:

Lets not pretend these insiders have a mystical crystal ball. Using his statements to back your opinions is as empty as all the other opinions you have shot down.

They don't have a mystical ball, but they also look at things without the rose colored glasses that fans often wear.

This team is a mess, with 1 single position group in good/great shape....running back.

What Casserly is saying is that the Panthers likely need to rebuild, and keeping a veteran QB isn't always the smart move when doing that.

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1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

They don't have a mystical ball, but they also look at things without the rose colored glasses that fans often wear.

This team is a mess, with 1 single position group in good/great shape....running back.

What Casserly is saying is that the Panthers likely need to rebuild, and keeping a veteran QB isn't always the smart move when doing that.

His statements make a lot of assumptions that would require one to literally be part of the FO to answer. One of the glaring question is do the Panthers FO believe they need to do a rebuild? If they do then what type of rebuild? A heavy one where they want to start from scratch or a light one where just a few right pieces are necessary to be competitive. Casserly can make all the claims he wants but it is all just conjecture in the end of the day.

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4 minutes ago, firefox1234 said:

His statements make a lot of assumptions that would require one to literally be part of the FO to answer. One of the glaring question is do the Panthers FO believe they need to do a rebuild? If they do then what type of rebuild? A heavy one where they want to start from scratch or a light one where just a few right pieces are necessary to be competitive. Casserly can make all the claims he wants but it is all just conjecture in the end of the day.

Are you certain that he doesn't have friends in our front office?

Man, I can look at this roster objectively and see we need a teardown, a respected retired GM certainly can.

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2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Are you certain that he doesn't have friends in our front office?

Man, I can look at this roster objectively and see we need a teardown, a respected retired GM certainly can.

Like I said, that takes a lot of assumptions to be made and an outsider is an outsider regardless of their relationship. My main argument is that one can't make definitive statements at a time like this. Not long ago the thinking was that no changes would be made till the offseason and even some questioning if any coaching or leadership changes would occur at all. Yet now folks claim to be able to navigate through what looks like a hurricane. 

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1 minute ago, firefox1234 said:

Like I said, that takes a lot of assumptions to be made and an outsider is an outsider regardless of their relationship. My main argument is that one can't make definitive statements at a time like this. Not long ago the thinking was that no changes would be made till the offseason and even some questioning if any coaching or leadership changes would occur at all. Yet now folks claim to be able to navigate through what looks like a hurricane. 

It really doesn't take a lot of assumptions to see that we have a deeply flawed roster, that is what he is looking at, and traditional wisdom is to not pay a veteran QB the kind of money Cam will require if going through a rebuild.

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1 minute ago, Bronn said:

I already said on these forums today that I am David Tepper, so if you want to keep not believing me @thefuzz go ahead. 

Cool, nice to meet you Mr. Tepper.

Since you joined in 2008, can you tell me if you had intended to purchase the Panthers all tat time ago?

Now that you are inside the building and have been for some time, can you breakdown the differences between us and the Steelers?

Is Bronn actually your favorite character on GOT?

Can you stop asking for public funds until we can assemble a decent football team?

And lastly, can you please please please bring a Lombardi to Charlotte?  And not one on loan from the Rooneys?

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5 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

It really doesn't take a lot of assumptions to see that we have a deeply flawed roster, that is what he is looking at, and traditional wisdom is to not pay a veteran QB the kind of money Cam will require if going through a rebuild.

It isn't deeply flawed, though.

We have a franchise QB we hope can return from injury. We have an okay backup and an unknown behind him.

We have some pieces on the OL that, with better coaching and decision making can be a good young foundation.

We have an emerging young WR that's getting tougher by the game. We have one of the better RB weapons the league has seen in a long time. We have a good young TE prospect that has been buried by poor coaching and scheme.

Our DL is going to take some work and some re-signings, etc. We'll need to try to keep Shaq or replace him in the LB area. Same with Bradberry in the secondary. But on defense, we have a lot of vets we can bring back on cheaper deals than most think.

Are you basically saying you want to tank and not pay any QB? If you want to pay someone other than Cam $20M, who is it gonna be? What are your options? It won't be a rookie, I can guarantee that.

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Rebuilding doesn't pay the bills at BofA. Kyle Allen doesn't fill seats. JV football isn't what the next coach needs to keep his job. Casserly has an opinion. Most of the NFL would love for us to stand down and be a doormat while you figure things out. Nobody including Tepper WANTS to lose games to get "better". Losing is losing. THATS a culture change we don't need.

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I do not believe a quick rebuild is possible, especially if we pay Cam 21m next year in the hopes he can actually play.

According to sportrac, we'll have around 49m in cap space after Olsen retires and we waive Poe, Moncrief, and Davis.

Now we need to replace Shaq, McCoy, Butler, Addison, Irvin, Bradberry, Van Roten, Boston, Olsen and Poe.  That's at least 8 starters.  We also have to fill out the bottom of our roster (5-10m) and pay our draft class (6m).  And this does nothing to address our porous OL and thin WR core.

It will take at least 2 really good drafts before we have a legit shot.  I think next year we'll be fortunate to win 6 games.  Why put Cam through a lame duck season?  Pull the band aid off (like we did with Rivera) and start the rebuild.  We can probably get a 2020 2nd and future 2nd and save that 19m.  

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1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

Since you joined in 2008, can you tell me if you had intended to purchase the Panthers all tat time ago?

I've actually been a fan of the team since they came into the league. It is the colors, mostly. That blue is great.

Now that you are inside the building and have been for some time, can you breakdown the differences between us and the Steelers?

Mainly the team colors.

Is Bronn actually your favorite character on GOT?

On the show, he's up there. In the books he's more "meh." Lannisters always pay their debts, though, so I have to admire the fiscal responsibility.

Can you stop asking for public funds until we can assemble a decent football team?

I'm interested in making big changes to the whole area. Not just the Panthers. It starts with convincing you all that you can be better, despite the seemingly southern way of going with the flow or outright regression.

And lastly, can you please please please bring a Lombardi to Charlotte?  And not one on loan from the Rooneys?

I'm really gonna try, but it is hard trying to reason with people so eager to run your best players out of town.

 

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