Hurney isn't going to be demoted or limited to college scouting

[Toker Smurf]

With the knowledge that JR ran the football organization lean, is it reasonable to hope that if Tepper brings in someone to handle pro scouting and contracts (maybe more than one person) and that frees up Hurney to focus, solely on the draft, that he may improve on his later round selections?

[panther4life]

“Marty Hurney is one of the best recognizers of college talent in the nation period and I don’t want to lose that. He’s also not a bad manager either!”
 

That’s the exact quote. Starts at 4:38

This proves P55’s point that Mrscot is heading what he wants to hear vs what was actually said. No problem with that, but not good to come on here spread the false interpretation as material fact. 
 

@Mr. Scot @panthers55

[TheRumGone]

13 minutes ago, panther4life said:

“Marty Hurney is one of the best recognizers of college talent in the nation period and I don’t want to lose that. He’s also not a bad manager either!”
 

That’s the exact quote. Starts at 4:38

This proves P55’s point that Mrscot is heading what he wants to hear vs what was actually said. No problem with that, but not good to come on here spread the false interpretation as material fact. 
 

@Mr. Scot @panthers55

No this comment was in the presser. He said “he’s an incredible...well I don’t wanna give him that much credit. He’s a very good college talent evaluator.” That’s the one I was referring to.

ive looked everywhere for his media presser and cant find it. Mr Scot annoys the hell out of me but he’s not wrong on this.

[Forty-Eight]

He suck and needs to go too

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, TheRumGone said:

No this comment was in the presser. He said “he’s an incredible...well I don’t wanna give him that much credit. He’s a very good college talent evaluator.” That’s the one I was referring to.

ive looked everywhere for his media presser and cant find it. 

You won't. I haven't either. I found where it used to be on the Panthers Twitter (posted 2:48pm two days ago) but they may have taken that down too.

The PFT clip is about the only place you're going to see it.

[Mr. Scot]

25 minutes ago, panther4life said:

“Marty Hurney is one of the best recognizers of college talent in the nation period and I don’t want to lose that. He’s also not a bad manager either!”
 

That’s the exact quote. Starts at 4:38

This proves P55’s point that Mrscot is heading what he wants to hear vs what was actually said. No problem with that, but not good to come on here spread the false interpretation as material fact. 
 

@Mr. Scot @panthers55

Actually, this is the exact quote.

You know, Marty Hurney is one of the best recognizers of college talent in the nation, period. Okay? I don’t want to lose that. And he’s also not a bad manager.

There’s also new processes that I want to bring in. I think that, you know, the modern football organization needs a couple people there.

And if I was looking at the future, I would have, you know, if I’m looking at the manager in the future and looking up at who’s gonna be there in the future and, you know, Marty…is more senior. If I brought somebody else in, it could be a potential GM.

And if that person was more involved in, you know, on the scientific side or the analytics side or, and just, you know, interfacing with the business side…just like on the business side, I brought in not only a president but a COO. This is a COO. Okay, because the organization, a football organization, needs more than just one man to be successful.

[panthers55]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Actually, this is the exact quote.

You know, Marty Hurney is one of the best recognizers of college talent in the nation, period. Okay? I don’t want to lose that. And he’s also not a bad manager.

There’s also new processes that I want to bring in. I think that, you know, the modern football organization needs a couple people there.

And if I was looking at the future, I would have, you know, if I’m looking at the manager in the future and looking up at who’s gonna be there in the future and, you know, Marty…is more senior. If I brought somebody else in, it could be a potential GM.

And if that person was more involved in, you know, on the scientific side or the analytics side or, and just, you know, interfacing with the business side…just like on the business side, I brought in not only a president but a COO. This is a COO. Okay, because the organization, a football organization, needs more than just one man to be successful.

I think he clearly wants to move to more creative analytical thinking which is a major reason that Rivera is gone. I get the idea that being more of a collaborator makes Hurney worth keeping at least in the present scheme. I don't think anyone thinks Hurney is the long term solution. But to assume that he is gone after the draft appears rather premature and in line with your desires not necessarily Tepper.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, panthers55 said:

I think he clearly wants to move to more creative analytical thinking which is a major reason that Rivera is gone. I get the idea that being more of a collaborator makes Hurney worth keeping at least in the present scheme. I don't think anyone thinks Hurney is the long term solution. But to assume that he is gone after the draft appears rather premature and in line with your desires not necessarily Tepper.

What happened to your insistence that Tepper never said he was "not a bad" GM?

Marty may be keeping the title of GM right now, but I think that's about the only thing that staying the same

[LinvilleGorge]

We'll have to see what happens, but with Tepper and his love of analytics I don't think he fails to see two things that are pretty obvious to most long-term Panthers fans. 1) Hurney consistently nails 1st round picks. He's as good or better at that single aspect than just about anyone I can recall. 2) Hurney is subpar at virtually everything else and his overall record as a GM reflects that. I think Tepper is trying to figure out a way to structure the organization in a way that allows him to keep Hurney on board to take full advantage of #1 while limiting his ability to negatively impact #2. 

[panthers55]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

What happened to your insistence that Tepper never said he was "not a bad" GM?

Marty may be keeping the title of GM right now, but I think that's about the only thing that staying the same

In the context of the article he is saying positive things about Hurney. Again you can take one or two words and try to infer he isn't endorsing him which is your take. Obviously in the context of bringing other folks in and changing things you aren't going to say he is great otherwise why make changes. Again you are skewing things in a negative light which is where you usually go rather than looking at the quote in context.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, panthers55 said:

In the context of the article he is saying positive things about Hurney. Again you can take one or two words and try to infer he isn't endorsing him which is your take. Obviously in the context of bringing other folks in and changing things you aren't going to say he is great otherwise why make changes. Again you are skewing things in a negative light which is where you usually go rather than looking at the quote in context.

That's hilariously ironic 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We'll have to see what happens, but with Tepper and his love of analytics I don't think he fails to see two things that are pretty obvious to most long-term Panthers fans. 1) Hurney consistently nails 1st round picks. He's as good or better at that single aspect than just about anyone I can recall. 2) Hurney is subpar at virtually everything else and his overall record as a GM reflects that. I think Tepper is trying to figure out a way to structure the organization in a way that allows him to keep Hurney on board to take full advantage of #1 while limiting his ability to negatively impact #2. 

Pretty much.

He's talked a lot about putting people in the best place to succeed with their talents. And it's not hard to see it when he talks about Marty, he believes his talent is in college scouting. In everything else he's "not bad".

[panthers55]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

We'll have to see what happens, but with Tepper and his love of analytics I don't think he fails to see two things that are pretty obvious to most long-term Panthers fans. 1) Hurney consistently nails 1st round picks. He's as good or better at that single aspect than just about anyone I can recall. 2) Hurney is subpar at virtually everything else and his overall record as a GM reflects that. I think Tepper is trying to figure out a way to structure the organization in a way that allows him to keep Hurney on board to take full advantage of #1 while limiting his ability to negatively impact #2. 

Don't think I heard subpar anywhere. Again your interpretation. I read the GM job is too big for one person and my interpretation is it hard to find one guy who does everything well. So let's let people do what they are best at and that way they excel. Plus he doesn't want one guy who might not be able to do everything at once to hold up the world when others can step in.  Didn't see anything to suggest he is doing a bad job except huddlers interpretation based on their feeling not what is there 

[panthers55]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's hilariously ironic 

Not really. Again you interpret it how you want but it seems you focus on the negative and I focus on the positive. Pretty much how it goes with most of our discussions. Marty was a one man show doing everything and in that capacity he wasn't bad. But that seems to be an indictment of the way things have been set up on the football side not an indictment of Hurney's capacity. Which is why he brought in other people.