Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

It's been a decade since a team found their franchise QB in the top 5 of the NFL draft

bobowilson

By bobowilson,
in Carolina Panthers

Recommended Posts

bobowilson Newbie

bobowilson

Posted
Posted

And the last time it happened was when the Carolina Panthers selected Cam Newton with the 1st pick.

If you look at every "young" franchise QB in the NFL right now, none of them were taken early in the 1st round.   There is a lot of sentiment that we will have to tank next year or do a long rebuild to draft high enough to find a new qb, but the data is pretty interesting.   Don't be so sure we can't find someone in the middle part of the 1st round.

Here is the list of 'top 5' QBs selected since Cam Newton

Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Sam Darnold, Mitch Trubisky, Carson Wentz, Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, Blake Bortles, Sam Bradford.   Carson Wentz is the only one out of this bunch with potential to live up to his draft billing.

Now look at the 'young' quarterbacks actually thriving in the NFL

Deshaun Watson - 12th pick

Russell Wilson - 3rd round

Patrick Mahomes - 10th pick

Lamar Jackson - 32nd pick

Kirk Cousins - 3rd round

Dak Prescott - 4th round

Derek Carr - 2nd round

Ryan Tannehill (maybe) - 8th pick, but also was able to be signed as cheap FA

Jimmy Garappolo - 2nd round

I doubt Jacoby Brissett or Minshew will prove to be franchise QBs, but they're somewhere in the range and also didn't require early draft capital.

Kyler Murray may prove to be the first early QB drafted in a decade who is a franchise guy, but it's too early to determine how he will pan out.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
saX man Mentor

saX man

Posted
Posted
2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Tannehill seems to have resurrected his career in Tennessee.

Honestly, it never really had to get resurrected. He's not a guy that is going to make a mediocre team a contender but he's better than a game manager.  Miami was not a fit but he always showed promise there.  They just refused to actually build a team.  Running backs and receivers have just been on a spin cycle and they have no guys cemented in the franchise. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
saX man Mentor

saX man

Posted
Posted

This may be true but outside of Tua, Herbert, and Burrow, this draft is hogwash at QB.  Fromm is a maybe at being a capable starter but he doesn't have the modern NFL skills (solid leader though)...the rest are just duds. 

Love, Eason, and a few others all had hype and promise and fell off a cliff in 2019. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
bobowilson Newbie

bobowilson

Posted
  • Author
Posted
3 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

Foles and Wentz?

I included Wentz in my list and said he was the only early draft pick with potential

But honestly, he's been pretty bad this year, and along with the fact he's injury prone, it's hard to definitively state he was worth the draft capital they gave up to move into this selection.   We will see.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
bobowilson Newbie

bobowilson

Posted
  • Author
Posted
1 minute ago, saX man said:

This may be true but outside of Tua, Herbert, and Burrow, this draft is hogwash at QB.  Fromm is a maybe at being a capable starter but he doesn't have the modern NFL skills (solid leader though)...the rest are just duds. 

Love, Eason, and a few others all had hype and promise and fell off a cliff in 2019. 

What this list reflects though is how often the conventional wisdom is wrong about who will pan out.

The same things we're saying about Burrow right now, were the same things said about all the other top quarterbacks drafted the past decade, before they actually played in the NFL and were somewhere in between busts and mediocre (well everyone knew Bortles was a reach, but other than that).

It also seems like teams have consistently overdrafted traditional pocket passers, when mobile qbs taken later in the 1st round are proving to be a lot more successful in the modern NFL.

So perhaps Jalen Hurts is the next Jackson or Watson, who was overlooked and underdrafted relative to Burrow or Herbert.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
saX man Mentor

saX man

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, bobowilson said:

What this list reflects though is how often the conventional wisdom is wrong about who will pan out.

The same things we're saying about Burrow right now, were the same things said about all the other top quarterbacks drafted the past decade, before they actually played in the NFL and were somewhere in between busts and mediocre (well everyone knew Bortles was a reach, but other than that).

It also seems like teams have consistently overdrafted traditional pocket passers, when mobile qbs taken later in the 1st round are proving to be a lot more successful in the modern NFL.

So perhaps Jalen Hurts is the next Jackson or Watson, who was overlooked and underdrafted relative to Burrow or Herbert.

 

If we're talking 2020, Hurts is on track to be the first QB taken but I agree to an extent.  The guy I'm interested to see the draft/return decision with is Kellen Mond.  I think he has a future in the league.  Has some stuff to work out but it's all coacheable.  He's got the intangibles, mobility, and skills. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
bobowilson Newbie

bobowilson

Posted
  • Author
Posted
2 minutes ago, Tbe said:

It’s not that those top picks were trash, it’s that they went to bad teams who don’t know how to develop talent. Plus the pressure of being a top pick and the money that comes with it can mess with guys.

You can say the same thing about Cam Newton (drafted by the worst team in the NFL, had terrible coaches, especially as his OC (mostly Shula), lot of pressure, and he was such a great talent, we still went to the Super Bowl.

That's what you're looking for when you draft a QB in the top 3.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
1of10Charnatives Mentor

1of10Charnatives

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, Tbe said:

It’s not that those top picks were trash, it’s that they went to bad teams who don’t know how to develop talent. Plus the pressure of being a top pick and the money that comes with it can mess with guys.

Your point about pressure and going to bad teams I can see, but not sure about the money aspect. Are we really saying that the one or two million that say all these non first round guys were earning on their rookie deals kept them grounded but the 5 million or more that the top picks get were counterproductive? I think for the vast majority of 20 year olds, anything over a million dollars is sort of all in the same category of life altering.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • TylerDurden
      Possibly playoff affectng news

      By TylerDurden · Posted

      I really fuging hate this era in so many ways.  I look at those Adin Ross and Neon kids, and I just wonder why tf are they famous?  Why would anyone be desperate enough to gain THAT audience that they’d risk money, career, disciplinary action to go up there and associate with those fuging dweebs?  And back in my day, racist peers got their ass beat.  And not endorsing or approving bully culture, but checks and balances and all…  had those two been bullied, or at the very least humbled, they wouldn’t be famous and glorified for being the fuging idiots they are now.  It seriously pisses me off… they both have done and said multiple, openly racist stuff and major media keeps pushing them, talking about them, and propping them up… and then dummies like Puka who don’t need the platform or exposure lend their celebrity to them.  fuging idiot… and even the other streamers, I don’t get - Speed, Kai…  I don’t understand making nobodies famous at all, but there is at least entertainment value to some degree there, and I could see how young, impressionable kids would find them something to aspire to (sadly), or view as “cool.”  But Ross and Neon?  They’re just shitty, shitty nerds with big ass mouths. I’ve went back recently and watched some classics (in two very different eras and categories 😂)  like Robocop and Idiocracy.  And what I find fascinating is how both movies illustrate how stupid society became by showing what the citizenry is entertained by.  In both, society became anti-intellectual and the citizenry were entertained by lowest denominator, primal-type absurdity - poo like, “Ouch! My Balls!”  Or on Robocop, a guy is a watching a show where they are smashing cakes on ladies’ breasts and then a guy says a line as the camera zooms in like, “I’d buy that for a dollar!” and the audience thinks it’s hilarious.  That’s where I feel like we are now.  Like who watches that clip with Puka and thinks any of that poo is funny or cool?  If I was Puka, I’d honestly be wondering why tf I’m hanging out with these beta ass, racist, cretin ass weirdos.
    • CPF4LIFE
      If you can only fire ONE person before 2026....

      By CPF4LIFE · Posted

      7 wins this year and some of those against really good teams and yall think Canales might get fired? Lol Good luck getting a better coach in here if that happens.  
    • R0CKnR0LLA
      This Bryce Guy (General BY Discussion)

      By R0CKnR0LLA · Posted

      Should definitely look to trade him in the offseason. Some team will fork over draft picks thinking they can turn his career around, especially considering what happened to Mayfield and Darnold after they left here. I think a lot of people will be surprised at how high of a pick he would fetch too. There's a dozen guys you could bring in to match (or exceed) Bryce's production for 1/10th of what his 5th year option is going to cost. Let some other dumb team pay that (and ship us draft picks for the privilege). Dump Dalton too while you're at it, start the QB room over from scratch.
×
×
  • Create New...