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"I think this is a overall failure as a organization right now"

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4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

He's been lousy this year, and I haven't been the least bit subtle about saying so. No hate involved. None needed.

Oh for the love of god, you think I mean personal hate?  Not hate like you wanna put hands on him, sports hate.  Like UNC/Duke sports hate.  The game aint serious enough for all that.  But I will smack Marty if I get a chance.

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3 minutes ago, BurnHurnBurn said:

Oh for the love of god, you think I mean personal hate?  Not hate like you wanna put hands on him, sports hate.  Like UNC/Duke sports hate.  The game aint serious enough for all that.  But I will smack Marty if I get a chance.

I reserve my "sports hate" for people who do egregious things like playing dirty or trying to injure other players.

Donte doesn't do any of that. His major malfunctions are that he's not very good and he blames other people for his mistakes instead of taking responsibility for them.

Olson at least included himself in the list of people that failed.

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25 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I reserve my "sports hate" for people who do egregious things like playing dirty or trying to injure other players.

Donte doesn't do any of that. His major malfunctions are that he's not very good and he blames other people for his mistakes instead of taking responsibility for them.

Olson at least included himself in the list of people that failed.

I think we're getting into semantics here.  Also, Greg is a seasoned vet, husband and father.  I dont think Donte is any of those things?  Donte was on track until scheme change.  I've seen nothing out of him I haven't seen a thousand times from a thousand players.  Young and excitable.  Who would like being blamed for this train wreck D?  I'd be pissed off too.

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Just now, BurnHurnBurn said:

I think we're getting into semantics here.  Also, Greg is a seasoned vet, husband and father.  I dont think Donte is any of those things?  Donte was on track until scheme change.  I've seen nothing out of him I haven't seen a thousand times from a thousand players.  Young and excitable.  Who would like being blamed for this train wreck D?  I'd be pissed off too.

I couldn't tell you jack about Donte's personal life. I don't follow that sort of thing.

I would add though that it's not true that he only started falling off this year. He was starting to tail off at the end of last season as well.

This season, same as the last one, he started off good but finished poorly. The difference was that the good part was shorter and the poor part was longer.

I'll grant that he may be right about the scheme and the coaches, but he's not a good enough player to make that call out.

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3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I couldn't tell you jack about Donte's personal life. I don't follow that sort of thing.

I would add though that it's not true that he only started falling off this year. He was starting to tail off at the end of last season as well.

This season, same as the last one, he started off good but finished poorly. The difference was that the good part was shorter and the poor part was longer.

I'll grant that he may be right about the scheme and the coaches, but he's not a good enough player to make that call out.

Ok, that's a matter of opinion.  1 that I dont necessarily argue other than he spoke out of turn while emotional.  When we only get clips and blurbs its hard not to make snap judgements.  Dont you see a correlation between Donte's and the team?  Start strong, fade down the stretch?  Thats 2 years in a row now.  All Im saying is dont wright the kid off just yet.  A better coach may be all that's needed for the young man.

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1 minute ago, BurnHurnBurn said:

Ok, that's a matter of opinion.  1 that I dont necessarily argue other than he spoke out of turn while emotional.  When we only get clips and blurbs its hard not to make snap judgements.  Dont you see a correlation between Donte's and the team?  Start strong, fade down the stretch?  Thats 2 years in a row now.  All Im saying is dont wright the kid off just yet.  A better coach may be all that's needed for the young man.

I'm not writing him off 

That said, I wouldn't necessarily guarantee that he's still with the team next year, depending on what they think of him.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not writing him off 

That said, I wouldn't necessarily guarantee that he's still with the team next year, depending on what they think of him.

He may have pissed off people.  I just haven't seen enough to justify his release on a rookie deal.  That seems like a bad FO move.  So you may be right?

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More from Olsen...

"In 13 years, I’ve never been a part of what these last weeks have been like, and it’s just sh-tty. We took a lot of pride in building this thing the right way, a lot of guys are still trying to finish this chapter out and we’ve failed collectively. It’s a tough pill to swallow.”

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3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

More from Olsen...

"In 13 years, I’ve never been a part of what these last weeks have been like, and it’s just sh-tty. We took a lot of pride in building this thing the right way, a lot of guys are still trying to finish this chapter out and we’ve failed collectively. It’s a tough pill to swallow.”

Goes back to never being on the bad end of transition. He was traded here on the up swing.

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