The case for drafting a DT (Brown) at #7

[My Goodness My Guinness]

I'd be cool for this. Highly drafted DTs are much safer picks than OTs and we really can't afford to miss right now on either line. After what we just witnessed, I'd spend every pick on the lines. 

None of this matters of course because we still have Hurney calling the shots. 

[bababoey]

Brown is the best D-lineman in this draft and there is not really a question (I don't consider Young a D-lineman, he is just an edge player).  If you watched him play at Auburn he can just throw guys out of his way kind of the way Jenkins use to here.  The drop off from him to the next guy is like the drop off from KK to Butler (even though Butler did have a pretty good year this past year).  Brown is a difference maker in a position that we need currently.  There is a couple of guys at OT that are good and the drop off is not nearly as severe.  The kid from Georgia, from Alabama and USC are all considered 1st round guys right now.  This is a question of what you think is more important,  helping the defense or protecting Cam (or our new quarterback).  Of the 2 choices I would pick Brown but who knows how the front office is looking at things now after this past year.

[Daddy_Uncle]

Would love the pick but if we get an offensive minded head coach we will probably go offense round 1. 

[Hoenheim]

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 7: Derrick Brown, DT, Auburn (A-)
Round 2 Pick 7: Jedrick Wills, OT, Alabama (A-)
Round 3 Pick 7: Creed Humphrey, C, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 4 Pick 7: Jalen Hurts, QB, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 5 Pick 7: Mustafa Johnson, DT, Colorado (A)
Round 6 Pick 7: Nigel Warrior, FS/SS, Tennessee (A+)
Round 7 Pick 7: Tamorrion Terry, WR, Florida State (A+)

[Matt62881]

5 hours ago, MHS831 said:

The case for adding a DT at #7 is a reaction to Raleigh's "The case for adding a LT".  Not my opinion, but an exercise in exploring all options and making a case for each need position.

The only DT I would take in the first round is Brown (Aub).  He can play NT, the 3, or 5 tech.  With KK hitting age 30 and Poe at 31, who do we have on the depth chart?  Sure, you can bring McCoy back and overpay an aging shell of what he used to be (see his 2019 stats) and you can pretend Kyle Love will have juice at age 34--or you can face the reality of the situation:  We have nothing beyond an underperforming, overpriced Short and we want Poe to start "nevermore." 

Some argue, "Sure you are right, but what about OT?"  Greg Little had first round measurables but dropped to the second round because he was raw.  He missed most of camp and played a few games before going to IR.  We have a high draft pick at LT.  We have Daley too.  At DT, we have NOTHING.  Did you not see teams average 5-8 yards per carry against us this year?  Develop the RAW LT with first round ability and do not give up on him because he had a concussion or two and missed key development before being thrown to the sharks.  If you judge him on that, you are being impulsive.  You need to let Matsko work on his balance and footwork.  Address Center and LG, but if you check the roster, we have ZERO at DT except some 30 something underperforming, overpaid fat guys.

Next:  "The case for drafting a CB at #7"

This is exactly what I've been saying, love it. This is my opinion to a T.

[Toomers]

 The best player(well, non-QB) in the draft at a huge position of need. If you get the chance you sprint to the podium. 
 

  

[bobowilson]

You absolutely do not allocate that much draft capital towards a run stuffing DT who does not excel at rushing the passer (not in the modern NFL).

Our historically bad defense last year had a lot more to do with scheme than talent (we were about league average the year before at stopping the run with virtually an identical roster), so there's no reason to overcompensate with something as valuable as the 7th pick in the draft.

 

[Toomers]

7 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

You absolutely do not allocate that much draft capital towards a run stuffing DT who does not excel at rushing the passer (not in the modern NFL).

Our historically bad defense last year had a lot more to do with scheme than talent (we were about league average the year before at stopping the run with virtually an identical roster), so there's no reason to overcompensate with something as valuable as the 7th pick in the draft.

 

  If you think Brown can’t pressure the QB, you have never seen him play. 

[bobowilson]

4 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  If you think Brown can’t pressure the QB, you have never seen him play. 

I didn't say he can't, but he's not an elite pass rusher by any measure

No front office that listened to their analytics department would touch this guy anywhere near the top half of the 1st round.

 

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, bobowilson said:

I didn't say he can't, but he's not an elite pass rusher by any measure

No front office that listened to their analytics department would touch this guy anywhere near the top half of the 1st round.

 

Then I would fire the analytics geek. He got a ton of pressure despite constant double teams and holding.  The tape doesn’t lie. 

[KatsAzz]

2 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 7: Derrick Brown, DT, Auburn (A-)
Round 2 Pick 7: Jedrick Wills, OT, Alabama (A-)
Round 3 Pick 7: Creed Humphrey, C, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 4 Pick 7: Jalen Hurts, QB, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 5 Pick 7: Mustafa Johnson, DT, Colorado (A)
Round 6 Pick 7: Nigel Warrior, FS/SS, Tennessee (A+)
Round 7 Pick 7: Tamorrion Terry, WR, Florida State (A+)

 

I could live with a draft like that with the exception of drafting a QB in round 7.

[Toomers]

10 minutes ago, KatsAzz said:

 

I could live with a draft like that with the exception of drafting a QB in round 7.

  After the first round that draft won’t come close to happening. But who is this QB in the 7th round you speak of. Now the fact his 7th round pick is going back to school would be an issue. 

[Matt62881]

4 hours ago, Toomers said:

  If you think Brown can’t pressure the QB, you have never seen him play. 

Not to mention we just saw what happens when KK goes down, we need actual good DT depth. We were so bad stopping the run last year people think Vernon butler is suddenly worth 10m cause he had a few sacks...but couldn't stop the run for as big as he is....delusional and I'm not saying brown would be depth, he is a monster, the most obvious fit for us at 7, better then star I think.

[Matt62881]

5 hours ago, Toomers said:

 The best player(well, non-QB) in the draft at a huge position of need. If you get the chance you sprint to the podium. 
 

  

I think you fix most of this defense if you disrupt their run schemes...it helps the lbs stay clean and helps the secondary not try to play the run so much and do what they are meant to do. The most obvious player in the draft for us period with a low bust % compared to say tackle or cb.