The case for drafting a DT (Brown) at #7

[Matt62881]

1 hour ago, GoobyPls said:

You don’t draft run stuffers with the 7th pick either

 

Their is no generational talent outside of Young

You don't think Brown is? I'm hearing he can play 0 1 3 and sometimes 5 tech....that's very rare

[GoobyPls]

22 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

You don't think Brown is? I'm hearing he can play 0 1 3 and sometimes 5 tech....that's very rare

Nope. If he was he would be ahead of Young 

[Matt62881]

5 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Nope. If he was he would be ahead of Young 

Yes but young is a phenomenal edge rusher at 5 and 9 tech, they are always more valued then a 0 1 and 3 tech guy that CAN play 5....as they are two different positions why cant they both be generational talents. I mean from what I've seen brown can best double teams and demands them...still puts up sacks though.

[The Huddler]

we got blown out the ass on defense with teams running the ball

 

anyone who thinks a DT would be a bad pick is dumbdumb central

[MHS831]

10 minutes ago, The Huddler said:

we got blown out the ass on defense with teams running the ball

 

anyone who thinks a DT would be a bad pick is dumbdumb central

We have 30+ aged players there who are not doing a good job.  McCoy underperformed this year (even though some Huddle scholars here are begging to re-sign him), Butler is gone, and Love's performance dropped off as he hit about 34 years of age.  KK has not been good since 2017---but lets grab that OT when we have 2 developing rookies and leave the most disruptive DT on the draft board that can play all 3 DT positions.  Dumbdumb central. 

 

[Matt62881]

25 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

We have 30+ aged players there who are not doing a good job.  McCoy underperformed this year (even though some Huddle scholars here are begging to re-sign him), Butler is gone, and Love's performance dropped off as he hit about 34 years of age.  KK has not been good since 2017---but lets grab that OT when we have 2 developing rookies and leave the most disruptive DT on the draft board that can play all 3 DT positions.  Dumbdumb central. 

 

I will say McCoy is horrible against the run but hes an excellent 3 tech pass rushing st. Perfect for passing Downs, would take him for cheap 

[The Huddler]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

We have 30+ aged players there who are not doing a good job.  McCoy underperformed this year (even though some Huddle scholars here are begging to re-sign him), Butler is gone, and Love's performance dropped off as he hit about 34 years of age.  KK has not been good since 2017---but lets grab that OT when we have 2 developing rookies and leave the most disruptive DT on the draft board that can play all 3 DT positions.  Dumbdumb central. 

 

agreed we had two young rookies who showed some serious upside. 

 

drafting anothet rookie OT will not magically protect Cam or whoever we have at QB next year. if they want an instant fix, go pick up a FA

[MHS831]

36 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

I will say McCoy is horrible against the run but hes an excellent 3 tech pass rushing st. Perfect for passing Downs, would take him for cheap 

Here is the problem (as I see it) with that.

We can not afford one-dimensional DL.  We have about 25 roster spots on defense, 22 or so jerseys on game day.  4 safeties, 5 CBs, and 3 inside LBs. (12-13 jerseys)

That leaves about 9-10 jerseys for NTs, DT/Ends, and Edge rushers. 

DE (3-4); DT (4-3, 3 tech): KK, ..........., ................ (3)

NT (1 tech) Poe, ................... (2) 

Edge ( 3-4 ) Burns, Haynes, Miller (3)

DE 4-3 ends Addison (UFA), Obada, .................... (3)

(11 jerseys)

I just do not see how we can afford to have 1-dimensional players, unless we get rid of personnel not suited to the new defense.  McCoy's stats were dramatically poorer than just 2 years ago--you are right--he did little against the run (he played 63% of the snaps and had 15 solo tackles, 5 were sacks).  Poe was not clogging things up vs. the run--he is a bit 1 dimensional too. He never had more than 2 tackles in a game and Luke's performance dropped.  This (By far) is our biggest need area.

D. Brown is a beast that can play 3 positions.  THAT is what we need. If KK returns to form (at age 30) and we add a NT in free agency, Brown would be a great addition.  Just some random thoughts

 

 

 

[bobowilson]

Imagine drafting for need when you're no where near contending for a Super Bowl

Imagine wasting a #7th overall pick on a DT who doesn't specialize in rushing the passer in the current era of football

Run stuffing defensive tackles don't make the Hall of Fame, especially not in today's league

The last four times we had a top 10 pick we chose a Hall of Famer; we should be aiming for another one, not overreacting to last season and thinking we're one player away 

You can find run stuffers in free agency for cheap 

If you're tempted to want to blow a pick on this guy;  ask yourself of a comparable player in the league right now who is a bound for Canton

Aaron Donald had double digit sacks even in college.  There's no reality in which Brown is a 15-20 sack guy in the NFL.

Let some archaic GM like Dave Gettleman waste their pick on this guy.

 

 

 

[WOW!!]

Great pick .. Is my favorite with our DT situation in great need of youth...

[DeAngelo Beason]

I like meat up front, but it seems we've spent a lot of money and draft picks on high quality interior DL players and have gotten very little return on that investment in recent years.

[Matt62881]

15 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Here is the problem (as I see it) with that.

We can not afford one-dimensional DL.  We have about 25 roster spots on defense, 22 or so jerseys on game day.  4 safeties, 5 CBs, and 3 inside LBs. (12-13 jerseys)

That leaves about 9-10 jerseys for NTs, DT/Ends, and Edge rushers. 

DE (3-4); DT (4-3, 3 tech): KK, ..........., ................ (3)

NT (1 tech) Poe, ................... (2) 

Edge ( 3-4 ) Burns, Haynes, Miller (3)

DE 4-3 ends Addison (UFA), Obada, .................... (3)

(11 jerseys)

I just do not see how we can afford to have 1-dimensional players, unless we get rid of personnel not suited to the new defense.  McCoy's stats were dramatically poorer than just 2 years ago--you are right--he did little against the run (he played 63% of the snaps and had 15 solo tackles, 5 were sacks).  Poe was not clogging things up vs. the run--he is a bit 1 dimensional too. He never had more than 2 tackles in a game and Luke's performance dropped.  This (By far) is our biggest need area.

D. Brown is a beast that can play 3 positions.  THAT is what we need. If KK returns to form (at age 30) and we add a NT in free agency, Brown would be a great addition.  Just some random thoughts

 

 

 

Exactly 100% we need to have poe or someone replace him cause hes getting paid too much to be a backup. Same thing with Mccoy

[Toomers]

  If only he could rush the passer....lol

 

First Team: Derrick Brown, Auburn

As physically imposing a force that there was during the 2019 season, Brown made his presence felt in every contest but most notably against the toughest tests on Auburn's schedule. He finished with the second-highest pass-rushing grade among all interior defenders and had three of his four highest game grades come against Florida, Georgia and Alabama. Tallying 34 total pressures, Brown recorded five sacks, 10 QB hits and 19 more hurries while he batted four passes at the line, made 34 defensive stops and 41 total tackles without a single missed tackle attempt to his credit this year.

His tackling was unmatched this season and he was the country's most dominant interior defender against the run. He made 11 tackles for no gain or a loss and was the only interior defensive lineman to record 33 tackles without a single miss against the run.

[MHS831]

For those of you insisting on a pass rushing DT---

Do you think we need another pass-rushing DT?   Do you get why our LBs were getting reached like never before?  Our DTs did not earn their respect and they did not hold their ground--probably because they were rushing the passer...Pressuring the QB was not an issue this year---pressuring the RB was.

This article explains what you are missing in relation to Brown:

"https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/sports/college/auburn/2019/11/04/auburn-football-defensive-tackle-derrick-brown-makes-ridiculous-look-routine-ole-miss-nfl-draft-sec/4153765002/

Brown’s stat totals aren’t earth-shattering. He has 37 tackles, eight tackles for loss and four sacks so far. Those totals rank fourth, second and second on Auburn’s defense, respectively. He doesn’t rank among the nation’s top-100 players in any of those categories — to compare, Ohio State defensive lineman Chase Young ranks tied for fourth with 15 ½ tackles for loss and first with 13 ½ sacks.

 

But the impact the standout Auburn defensive tackle has made during his senior season can’t fully be measured in a box score.

Take the Tigers’ season-opening win over Oregon in Arlington, Texas. Brown finished that game with three tackles and nothing else. If you go back and re-watch that game, though, you’ll see no shortage of plays where Brown is powering his way into the backfield and throwing blockers around like rag dolls. He was a significant factor in the defense holding the Ducks’ offense to just 133 yards and seven points in the second half of a come-from-behind 27-21 victory."

He does his job, and taking on double teams and keeping folks off his LB is part of it.  THAT is what this defensive front was missing.  Not more pass rush.