Prerequisites to Assistant GM interviews

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, PanthersBigD said:

He also said he was staying at Baylor. People say a lot of things. I'm not suggesting anything sinister like him wanting to be some kind of autocrat, simply that perhaps he wants someone 'on the same page/part of his process' to be the one pulling the trigger on draft day, and this guy wasn't it. 

So he called the Eagles and asked them to deny us permission to interview the guy we specifically requested to talk to?

Sure, sounds legit 

[PanthersBigD]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So he called the Eagles and asked them to deny us permission to interview the guy we specifically requested to talk to?

Sure, sounds legit 

That's not what I said and you know that. 

[The Natural]

17 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

So much dumb. Tepper. Stop being a fuging idiot about Hurney they dude hasn’t given you a winning season and hasn’t given this team a winning season since what. 2008?

2017

[Waldo]

JFC, just get through the draft and hire a real and possibly good GM. If not, we can keep losing like we have since 2008 with him in power through the whole season. It's hard to get excited about any of this when we are trying to keep someone that is easy to replace. Literally anyone worth a crap that we would look at as an AGM would be a better candidate than Hurney as a GM. 

How am I supposed to believe in change and improvement when this is how we operated for so long with mediocre results? Hurney is going to teach the new guy how to do almost his whole job badly? 1st round pick expert and a disaster at everything else...I guess other than the personal service he gives to the owner. Realizing we aren't the Browns isn't good enough anymore.

[PantherCam213]

Gonna be a long ~14 to 16 weeks.

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, PanthersBigD said:

That's not what I said and you know that. 

Your words...

18 minutes ago, PanthersBigD said:

perhaps he wants someone 'on the same page/part of his process' to be the one pulling the trigger on draft day, and this guy wasn't it. 

You're also suggesting that Rhule had a "stipulation" regarding a position whose inception came before he was even on the candidate list (before there even was a candidate list, actually).

I get that you wanna play Hurney apologist but this particular attempt is coming off kinda silly.

[mc52beast]

45 minutes ago, Pantha-kun said:

If Tepper believes in Hurney so much then why does he need an assistant GM? 

 

Someone to draft rounds 2-7

[Harbingers]

14 minutes ago, The Natural said:

2017

Hurney was interim GM who didn’t put together the roster or contracts. Hurney wasn’t GM. 

[PanthersBigD]

17 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Your words...

You're also suggesting that Rhule had a "stipulation" regarding a position whose inception came before he was even on the candidate list (before there even was a candidate list, actually).

I get that you wanna play Hurney apologist but this particular attempt is coming off kinda silly.

I never said anything about anyone calling the Eagles. I also never suggested Rhule stipulated anything prior to being hired by the Panthers. Not sure what your deal is. You're just as in the dark as the rest of us. No need to put words in my mouth just because my opinions don't align with yours. 

 

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, PanthersBigD said:

I never said anything about anyone calling the Eagles. I also never suggested Rhule stipulated anything prior to being hired by the Panthers. Not sure what your deal is. You're just as in the dark as the rest of us. No need to put words in my mouth just because my opinions don't align with yours.

You said maybe Rhule "wanted someone who was on the same page" and "this guy wasn't it".

We requested the interview, and the Eagles denied it.  That's public knowledge.

It's not that your opinions don't align with mine. It's that they don't align with the facts of the story.

[Mr. Scot]

I'll give you one thing though: The situation of other teams being able to block interviews with people we want isn't Marty Hurney's fault. It certainly isn't Matt Rhule's fault either.

It's David Tepper's fault for keeping Marty around.

[PanthersBigD]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

You said maybe Rhule "wanted someone who was on the same page" and "this guy wasn't it".

We requested the interview, and the Eagles denied it.  That's public knowledge.

It's not that your opinions don't align with mine. It's that they don't align with the facts of the story.

Right. And you somehow interpreted that as my saying that Rhule called the Eagles to nix the interview?!  Sure, whatever you say, kid. 

 

The facts of the story:

- Marty Hurney is currently GM

- We requested the interview with the Eagles personnel guy

- The Eagles denied it because it wasn't for a vertical move

Everything else is conjecture, which is what these boards are for. We don't know what Tepper, Hurney and Rhule have discussed since Rhule's signing, other than what we've been fed by the team's mouthpiece. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, PanthersBigD said:

Right. And you somehow interpreted that as my saying that Rhule called the Eagles to nix the interview?!  Sure, whatever you say, kid.

The facts of the story:

- Marty Hurney is currently GM

- We requested the interview with the Eagles personnel guy

- The Eagles denied it because it wasn't for a vertical move

Everything else is conjecture, which is what these boards are for. We don't know what Tepper, Hurney and Rhule have discussed since Rhule's signing, other than what we've been fed by the team's mouthpiece. 

You suggested we weren't getting the guy because Rhule didn't want him, when in fact the Eagles were the ones who nixed the interview.

I was asking how exactly you thought those two things could be reconciled (which of course, they couldn't, so basically...)

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, Harbingers said:

So much dumb. Tepper. Stop being a fuging idiot about Hurney they dude hasn’t given you a winning season and hasn’t given this team a winning season since what. 2008?

This Tepper/Hurney thing is seriously confusing to me. There's no doubt Tepper is a brilliant man. When brilliant people see you as brilliant, well yeah. Everyone knows Tepper loves analytics.

How in the HELL is he so endeared to Marty Hurney? Listen, I have no doubt that Hurney is a great guy. I honestly don't doubt that he works his ass off TRYING to do a great job. The problem is that it just hasn't translated to anything more than just sporadic, almost random success on the football field. How can someone as brilliant and analytical as Tepper not see that? Just look at Hurney's overall draft record. He has entire draft classes that are near total washes. Just look at his trade ups on draft day. Nearly a universal disaster. Just look at his big ticket free agent signings. Yowzers. Just look at some of the extensions and restructures he's signed. Fug... I don't doubt that there are some things Hurney does well, but overseeing a franchise as the GM isn't one of them.

I honestly don't blame Hurney. Like I said, I don't doubt that he works his ass off trying to do a great job. When someone is put into a position and works their ass off and still fails, it's not their fault. It's the fault of the person who put them in that position. The same thing is true for guys like Amini Silatolu, Armanti Edwards, Jimmy Clausen, Everette Brown, etc. Never heard anything about those guys that would lead me to believe they weren't working their asses off and doing everything the coaches were asking them to do, they just weren't good enough. Can't blame them for that.