does anyone here trust marty hurney with the rebuild

[frash.exe]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Was Newton part of the defense?

Or the offensive line?

Did he choose to go with the backups we had?

Or the kicker we kept over the one we let go?

How did the Saints do with a backup quarterback?

Or the Titans?

What went wrong with Marty's other ten losing seasons?

Yeah yeah I know, it's everybody's fault but Marty's.

The guy in charge of building the roster can't be blamed if it happens to suck.

this board went soft on marty after the last GM came and did the dirty work and the tough decisions that GMs need to make that they couldn’t handle emotionally. we’re beyond the point that ppl are defending hurney just bc he isn’t gettleman. dudes are literally grasping at any straw they can to cope with reality.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, frash.exe said:

this board went soft on marty after the last GM came and did the dirty work and the tough decisions that GMs need to make that they couldn’t handle emotionally. we’re beyond the point that ppl are defending hurney just bc he isn’t gettleman. dudes are literally grasping at any straw they can to cope with reality.

I've said before I think some folks have this weird attachment where they think that just because Hurney drafted Newton, somehow they have to be loyal to him.

Given that Hurney also built losing teams around Newton, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. But hey...

Regardless, like most folks here I'm hoping we only have to put up with a few more months of Marty. If he sticks beyond the draft without his role being reduced or redefined, I'm going to seriously question what he has over Tepper.

[Cpt slay a ho]

I trust what tepper does so yeah Why not

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

I trust what tepper does so yeah Why not

Like when he thought "sure, Ron Rivera's a good coach, let's keep him around".

Oh yeah, smart move.

[Harbingers]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've said before I think some folks have this weird attachment where they think that just because Hurney drafted Newton, somehow they have to be loyal to him.

Given that Hurney also built losing teams around Newton, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. But hey...

Regardless, like most folks here I'm hoping we only have to put up with a few more months of Marty. If he sticks beyond the draft without his role being reduced or redefined, I'm going to seriously question what he has over Tepper.

It’s not even that. This board simply spends all its time rationalize bad management into good management and then crying during the season when it doesn’t work. Over and over and over. Tepper isn’t anything new, in fact I’d put money down on this team being worse for years to come. Which in turn leads to the apologetics being more idiotic, which in turn leads to more BS like the forum has been for the past 3 years. 

When are people going to wake up and realize Hurney sucks and handful of good drafted players don’t make a competitive team by themselves. The writing has been on the wall. 

Those players surrounded by the right players made a run. Hurney comes back. We are looking down the barrel of a .50 cal at point blank range. 

[frash.exe]

16 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've said before I think some folks have this weird attachment where they think that just because Hurney drafted Newton, somehow they have to be loyal to him.

Given that Hurney also built losing teams around Newton, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. But hey...

Regardless, like most folks here I'm hoping we only have to put up with a few more months of Marty. If he sticks beyond the draft without his role being reduced or redefined, I'm going to seriously question what he has over Tepper.

the hurney - newton association is so dumb. anybody who considers it a feat to take newton with his skill set compared to dareus or nick flair is giving the guy way too much credit...

even matt millen knew better than to pass over calvin johnson

[Khaki Lackey]

4 hours ago, Ship said:

Disingenuous to cry for all the players whose talent wasn’t maximized here by coaches then talk bad about the guy who drafted and traded for them. Hurney should continue to stock the cupboard with first round talent. Working with the new coaches and science/tech that Tepper provides will hopefully improve the rest of the draft. Also have to think if our coaches are as good as we think they’ll be that we can get more out of the later rounded players.

No amount of science or coaching can make Sionne Fua, Amini Silotolu, Armanti Edwards, Jimmy Clausen etc. into legitimate NFL players. 

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

It’s not even that. This board simply spends all its time rationalize bad management into good management and then crying during the season when it doesn’t work. Over and over and over. Tepper isn’t anything new, in fact I’d put money down on this team being worse for years to come. Which in turn leads to the apologetics being more idiotic, which in turn leads to more BS like the forum has been for the past 3 years. 

When are people going to wake up and realize Hurney sucks and handful of good drafted players don’t make a competitive team by themselves. The writing has been on the wall. 

Those players surrounded by the right players made a run. Hurney comes back. We are looking down the barrel of a .50 cal at point blank range. 

I will admit believing that a guy who's produced three winning seasons in fourteen tries is still a good GM based on the fact that he drafted a couple of your favorite players takes some serious mental gymnastics.

[tiger7_88]

So to sum up the Marty Fluffers in this thread:

- Hurney is responsible for the good draft picks which HE made.

- All the failed draft picks he made in the past he only chose because the coaches told him to, so its not his fault.

- But if, in the end, he actually *is* that bad, don't worry, we're only keeping him around as a figurehead. 

All of these positions, in the collective, make perfect sense to me.  (/sarcasm)

[Cpt slay a ho]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Like when he thought "sure, Ron Rivera's a good coach, let's keep him around".

Oh yeah, smart move.

I mean yeah, can’t fire a guy coming off a 11-5 season followed by a season that at the time was assume to fail because of injuries at the qb position

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Cpt slay a ho said:

I mean yeah, can’t fire a guy coming off a 11-5 season followed by a season that at the time was assume to fail because of injuries at the qb position

Yeah, because that was Rivera's only bad season, or Hurney's for that matter.

I know you're one of the people that believes in the Hurney-Newton connection so reason isn't gonna have any effect, but you may find yourself having to make some adjustments to that idea sometime soon.

[frash.exe]

11 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

So to sum up the Marty Fluffers in this thread:

- Hurney is responsible for the good draft picks which HE made.

- All the failed draft picks he made in the past he only chose because the coaches told him to, so its not his fault.

- But if, in the end, he actually *is* that bad, don't worry, we're only keeping him around as a figurehead. 

All of these positions, in the collective, make perfect sense to me.  (/sarcasm)

and the best part about it (actually it’s the worst part) is that there are ppl that will maintain these distinct positions, but they seemingly won’t discuss their difference in opinion amongst themselves, instead they seem to band together against the “haters” who are just sick of marty hurney running offseason after offseason never translating into wins. so you have to have three different debates at once.

[Cpt slay a ho]

25 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah, because that was Rivera's only bad season, or Hurney's for that matter.

I know you're one of the people that believes in the Hurney-Newton connection so reason isn't gonna have any effect, but you may find yourself having to make some adjustments to that idea sometime soon.

What the hell are you grasping at ? I clearly stated I support tepper and you bring up Newton and hurney ??? 

We know you don’t like when people disagree with you so save me some time and miss me with the quotes and that condescending boomer tone you love to display 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

18 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

What the hell are you grasping at ? I clearly stated I support tepper and you bring up Newton and hurney ??? 

We know you don’t like when people disagree with you so save me some time and miss me with the quotes and that condescending boomer tone you love to display 

I'm fine with people disagreeing with me as long as they have an intelligent argument.

You don't.

Marty has presided over fourteen offseasons. Only three of them have produced winning teams, and two of those came when he still had a lot of George Siefert's players.

Even after somebody fixed his mess and he was handed a playoff team, he still managed to screw it up.

He's made some absolutely horrible draft choices and some even worse free agency choices.

Even the good draft choices tended to come because he built such a sh-tty team the previous year that we were drafting high...again.

He operates on a win now / year to year basis and regularly mortgages the future.

There's more evidence that Bigfoot exists then there is that Marty's cap management skills do.

It's pretty obvious to see that the longer he's in charge, the worse the team gets.

And heck, even when he went to praise him, David Tepper had to rethink his words and scale down his compliment.

But none of that matters. He's a great GM because he got one draft choice right nine years ago.

He drafted Cam Newton, so he must be a great GM. The actual win-loss record doesn't matter because we've got Newton.

 

Or do we?

Tell me, if he gets traded or cut this year, who's the GM that's going to be doing that?