In this thread, argue why the pick SHOULDN'T be a lineman.

[rippadonn]

9 hours ago, top dawg said:

Just about every scouting report I've read says Jeudy is a route running guru with an extraordinary IQ in creating separation, not to mention his raw athleticism. He's quite the catch (pun intended)! One of the best to come out in years according to some!

QB, DE, WR, LT, DT

Those are the most coveted positions in the NFL and are the most represented in top ten picks.

This is a VERY strong year for WR talent. Three studs could go before 20 this year. This year I'm happy with Jeudy and my man CeeDee Lamb. Keep giving the offense some love.

Having Jeudy/Lamb, DJ, and Samuel. Whoa!

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

10 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'd bet a lot of money that there will be All-Pros drafted after the 3rd round this year. There always are.

I'd bet the same amount it wont be Hurney drafting them

[1of10Charnatives]

15 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'd bet a lot of money that there will be All-Pros drafted after the 3rd round this year. There always are.

Right, but at 32 picks per round plus comp picks,  that’s gonna be north of 130 players picked after the third. How many All Pro’s do you figure will come out of that group?

You can get one or two All Pros and still have an awfully thin draft post 3rd. Both statements can be true and probably will be.

[1of10Charnatives]

4 hours ago, rippadonn said:

Having Jeudy/Lamb, DJ, and Samuel And no healthy Qb to throw them the ball because poo oline. Whoa!

FIFY

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Right, but at 32 picks per round plus comp picks,  that’s gonna be north of 130 players picked after the third. How many All Pro’s do you figure will come out of that group?

You can get one or two All Pros and still have an awfully thin draft post 3rd. Both statements can be true and probably will be.

All drafts are thin after the 3rd round. Just look at average carer lengths by round. Most guys picked in the mid-late rounds ultimately won't pan out regardless of the perceived strength of the draft class.

[AU-panther]

19 hours ago, Shocker said:

This draft is 3 rounds deep...so thin after

All drafts are thin after the third round.

Casual fans severely overstate the talent in every draft.

The vast majority of the players drafted will be worse than what is already in the league. 
 

[Varking]

17 hours ago, top dawg said:

Just about every scouting report I've read says Jeudy is a route running guru with an extraordinary IQ in creating separation, not to mention his raw athleticism. He's quite the catch (pun intended)! One of the best to come out in years according to some!

I think he is a stud. But f we were to trade back and miss out on Juedy at 7 and move back to say 15? Is he that much better than the next guy? There are going to be like 10 WR that are available in rounds 1-2 that look to have solid pro potential. I only see 2 solid corners in this draft and a third with question marks. There are three strong d tackles. After Chase Young there is a dip in talent for a DE. There are teams that draft the best available player, teams that draft on need. I wish we were an organization that could draft the best available player, at a solid position of need while also keeping an eye on the depth of different position of this draft class and possibly next.

I don't like the idea for say a Chargers team to take Herbert early just because he is the third best QB in this class. Grab something else that helps out and understand its a process. You can be bad with an eye on the future and get a potentially much more talented passer in Fields or Lawrence next year. Does that mean Herbert will be a bust? No. But if you could draft Lawrence or Fields as a Sophmore this year in this class they would both likely go ahead of Herbert/Eason/Love right now. So why settle for him?

[rippadonn]

4 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

FIFY

From everything everyone at Mint Street has now said you'll have to tolerate another year of QB1.

The shoulder looked fine and has had plenty of rest. It's just the foot, and as far as that injury goes Cams was on the lighter side.

He will play. He has to. This may be the most perfect coach for Cam since Chud. Rhule runs his QB. If Cam excels in Rhules system you may have to put up with 4 more yrs of Cam.

Bummer. Huh!?

[Tarheel119]

6 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

From everything everyone at Mint Street has now said you'll have to tolerate another year of QB1.

The shoulder looked fine and has had plenty of rest. It's just the foot, and as far as that injury goes Cams was on the lighter side.

He will play. He has to. This may be the most perfect coach for Cam since Chud. Rhule runs his QB. If Cam excels in Rhules system you may have to put up with 4 more yrs of Cam.

Bummer. Huh!?

If he’s healthy, heck no, it would be awesome!

[rippadonn]

3 minutes ago, Tarheel119 said:

If he’s healthy, heck no, it would be awesome!

Cam throwing to CMC, Jeudy/Lamb, DJ, Samuel!?!

Heck yeah!

 

 

Why hate?

[TheRed]

If Jeudy is available you take him, simple as that. The recent playoff contenders have shown it never hurts to have more offensive firepower. Just ask the Texans after that loss to the Chiefs.

[1of10Charnatives]

2 hours ago, rippadonn said:

From everything everyone at Mint Street has now said you'll have to tolerate another year of QB1.

The shoulder looked fine and has had plenty of rest. It's just the foot, and as far as that injury goes Cams was on the lighter side.

He will play. He has to. This may be the most perfect coach for Cam since Chud. Rhule runs his QB. If Cam excels in Rhules system you may have to put up with 4 more yrs of Cam.

Bummer. Huh!?

How long do you think A 30 year old qb with Cam’s injury history stays healthy behind the line we trotted our last year? More than the two games he lasted this year?  The point is not whether Cam can or will play opening day. The point is it won’t matter how good your receiving corps is if your oline doesn’t keep your qb upright, much less give him time to throw, regardless of who the qb is.

Side note: If Rhule runs a 30 year old qb who’s missed most of the last two seasons with foot and shoulder injuries, he’s either a fool or has no intention of having him on the team after next year. Cam of 2015 will never be seen again nor should he be.  If Cam of 2020 is going to be successful into his 30’s, it must be from the pocket. There’s a reason you can’t name me any great qb’s who ran extensively past the age of 30. Franchise qb’s currently cost upwards of 30 mil per year. Do you think it’s wise to run one that the league has proven repeatedly it will not protect adequately from illegal hits?

[rippadonn]

4 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

How long do you think A 30 year old qb with Cam’s injury history stays healthy behind the line we trotted our last year? More than the two games he lasted this year?  The point is not whether Cam can or will play opening day. The point is it won’t matter how good your receiving corps is if your oline doesn’t keep your qb upright, much less give him time to throw, regardless of who the qb is.

Side note: If Rhule runs a 30 year old qb who’s missed most of the last two seasons with foot and shoulder injuries, he’s either a fool or has no intention of having him on the team after next year. Cam of 2015 will never be seen again nor should he be.  If Cam of 2020 is going to be successful into his 30’s, it must be from the pocket. There’s a reason you can’t name me any great qb’s who ran extensively past the age of 30. Franchise qb’s currently cost upwards of 30 mil per year. Do you think it’s wise to run one that the league has proven repeatedly it will not protect adequately from illegal hits?

The illegal hits were in the pocket. If your Oline is young or questionable get them and everybody blocking for #1 when needed.

Cam is a very good runner in space with great vision and when we actually did run block for him did NOT take the crushing blows he took in the pocket.

30 isn't old for a QB, even Cam Newton. Had the injury been Teddy Bridgewater level I could see the "injury" concerns but neither were even half way to that level.

Rhule said he learned that in order to win football games you must run. If you've watched football long enough you've seen the Andy Reid offense fail and fail. Will that offense win against a running football team? It didn't then and I'm going ahead and saying it won't now.

The fake news media saying that Cam gets hurt because he's a running QB is false. It happened in the pocket rarely flagged in big games. In Rhules offense he asks the QB to get yards, a healed Cam will do that.

Bring back that argument after something catastrophic happens or Cam is actually OLD, like 34 on up in football years.

If you don't like him, you don't like him.

[1of10Charnatives]

23 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

The illegal hits were in the pocket. If your Oline is young or questionable get them and everybody blocking for #1 when needed.

Cam is a very good runner in space with great vision and when we actually did run block for him did NOT take the crushing blows he took in the pocket.

30 isn't old for a QB, even Cam Newton. Had the injury been Teddy Bridgewater level I could see the "injury" concerns but neither were even half way to that level.

Rhule said he learned that in order to win football games you must run. If you've watched football long enough you've seen the Andy Reid offense fail and fail. Will that offense win against a running football team? It didn't then and I'm going ahead and saying it won't now.

The fake news media saying that Cam gets hurt because he's a running QB is false. It happened in the pocket rarely flagged in big games. In Rhules offense he asks the QB to get yards, a healed Cam will do that.

Bring back that argument after something catastrophic happens or Cam is actually OLD, like 34 on up in football years.

If you don't like him, you don't like him.

You're making a mistake here. The mistake is assuming someone who disagrees with your estimation of what is the best option doesn't like a player just because he doesn't want to take the same course of action regarding that player that you do. Please stop pretending that because I don't agree with how you want to proceed it means I don't like Cam. That's nonsense. You're saying 30 isn't old for a qb. In a vaccum that statement is accurate. For a qb who runs, it is not.  Being realistic about the human body, the effect the violence of football has on it, and it's decrease in healing effectiveness past certain ages has absolutely zero to do with whether you like that player or not. 

Look at the career statistics, particularly rushing statistics of dual threat qb's 

Cunningham, McNabb, McNair and Daunte Culpepper all show their rushing yards per season fall off a cliff before or around their age 30 season.

Vick's falloff doesn't happen until age 33, but guess what Vick didn't do for 2 years right in the middle of his prime? Play football. That gave his body extra mileage due to no wear and tear, similar to Thomas Davis.

Steve Young rushed for meaningful yardage well into his 30's, but guess what he did for all but one season until he hit 30? Serve as a backup, so less wear and tear.

Even the exceptions to the rule demonstrate the hard truth that there is x amount of punishment any player can take as a runner at maximum before they either lose effectiveness or lose their career.

Most of these players were able to play into their 30's, but only because they drastically dialed back the rushing aspect of their game. If Cam wants to keep playing, he needs to do the same. I think what we have seen from him so far suggests he's capable of doing it, but he will need a respectable line to throw from behind, or a stellar receiving corps won't help. This WR class is deep. Franchise LT classes are never deep. Let's get the man the blindside protector he deserves but has been lacking since Gross's retirement. We can do that and still add a quality WR, it just won't be Jeudy or Lamb. I much prefer that to watching Cam get laid out with yet another uncalled helmet to helmet hit while Jerry Jeudy runs free wondering why the ball isn't coming.