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15 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

Well, I am using logic in my reasoning. 

Why would one want to take a chance on Kyle Allen, and continue piling up excuses on why we shouldn’t give up on him, but at the same token, in 2012 want to give up on Cam so quickly? Kyles numbers were worse than Cams, and the inaccuracy label that Cam got isn’t placed on Kyle. 

Lets finally get to the bottom of it. What makes Kyle different?

I have never been the victim of racism by the way, so there are a set of blind spots inherit in my view.

I appreciate your civility in your comments.

[GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER]

1 minute ago, stirs said:

Kyle took advantage of defenses who were geared to stop CMC and was very accurate early on.

no he wasn’t. making safe throws to wide open receivers doesn’t make you “accurate”

literally nothing changed with his performance over the year. dumb fans got excited by box scores while the people paying attention were pointing out the significant number of red flags very early on.

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2 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

no he wasn’t. making safe throws to wide open receivers doesn’t make you “accurate”

literally nothing changed with his performance over the year. dumb fans got excited by box scores while the people paying attention were pointing out the significant number of red flags very early on.

Then we disagree.  He did hit some great crossing patterns early on and DJ and Samuel were all of a sudden getting praise here.  Then, defenses took that away and Kyles long ball left a lot to be desired.  The longer the year went on, its like he gave up and just started putting it up for grabs.

Composure went away completely.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

We should all be able to agree that no person or QB is perfect and everyone has room for improvement.

Despite this truism, a healthy Cam still gives the Panthers their best chance to win in 2020.

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1 minute ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

We should be able to agree that no person or QB is perfect and everyone has room for improvement.

Despite this truism, a healthy Cam still gives the Panthers their best chance to win in 2020.

A HEALTHY Cam certainly does, no argument

[AggieLean]

44 minutes ago, GRWatcher said:

I don't want to jump into this *stupid* thread killing argument. I'd say, take it outside boys.

But the short, correct answer to your question is that Kyle was healthy and Cam was not. 

What are you talking about? Cam was healthy in 2012. There are certain posters that wanted to get rid of Cam, and called him inaccurate, yet Kyle hasn’t received this label, and these same posters wanted to give Kyle a chance. 
 

What makes this argument stupid, and why would you not want to have this conversation?

 

[AggieLean]

40 minutes ago, stirs said:

Everyone was so sick that our season was over, there were probably quite a few overreactions to Kyles initial success.  I cannot speak for the person making those claims.  I mentioned to use square wheels when he was winning and not to even be enamored till after at least 4 games.

Kyle took advantage of defenses who were geared to stop CMC and was very accurate early on.  But then defenses changed and he seemed to panic.

If someone wants to stick with Kyle or Cam at this point, it needs to have reasons attached. 

If someone said early on that a black QB cannot succeed in the NFL, then yeah, they should be called out.  But if someone says that Cams mechanics need work, or that Jake has happy feet and they both throw high, it doesn't on its face mean that racism is to blame for the criticism.

I just went and looked up Cam’s rookie stats. While Kyle got worse as the season progressed, especially when it came to accurately throwing the ball, Cam got better. 
 

So, why is Kyle worth giving a shot and Cam wasn’t back in 2012? I haven’t called anybody anything, yet but it does seem that a few posters back then had preconceived notions about Cam and QBs of his ilk, which is why he is constantly labeled as a QB that is inaccurate (while Kyle is not) and a “running QB.”

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6 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

I just went and looked up Cam’s rookie stats. While Kyle got worse as the season progressed, especially when it came to accurately throwing the ball, Cam got better. 
 

So, why is Kyle worth giving a shot and Cam wasn’t back in 2012? I haven’t called anybody anything, yet but it does seem that a few posters back then had preconceived notions about Cam and QBs of his ilk, which is why he is constantly labeled as a QB that is inaccurate (while Kyle is not) and a “running QB.”

Hey, I was born in the 60's, so I grew up hearing things like "black QB's cannot handle the position".  I remember hearing it.  Never said it, but definitely remember hearing it.

If Kyle had continued his 1st 4 game ascension, then yeah, why not.  What a story of an undrafted guy being able to take over.  But, he did not.

Again, I cannot answer for everyone way back when, my only thing earlier was the "all or nothing, everyone or nobody" calls that are made here.

The calling of everyone racist because they have an issue with Cam will help the real problem people hide within the broad brushed group.  Again, I might miss a lot of innuendo, my wife tells me all the time that I miss cues, so I can't speak for others intentions.

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12 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

I just went and looked up Cam’s rookie stats. While Kyle got worse as the season progressed, especially when it came to accurately throwing the ball, Cam got better. 
 

So, why is Kyle worth giving a shot and Cam wasn’t back in 2012? I haven’t called anybody anything, yet but it does seem that a few posters back then had preconceived notions about Cam and QBs of his ilk, which is why he is constantly labeled as a QB that is inaccurate (while Kyle is not) and a “running QB.”

I will say that I wanted Marcel Dareus in the 1st round the year Cam was drafted, mostly, I wanted to trade down.  Number 1 picks can be so scary if they don't work out, I wanted the haul.  My worry with Cam in particular was there there was no real tape to study of his ability to work into a passing offense.  The tape on his passing for his career, was less than some have in a half season.  He was a winner and had a cannon of an arm, but my worry was the risk of us trying to use him in the NFL they way Auburn had used him.  He would meet a lot bigger guys in the NFL and would suffer injury.  The worry about passing was not born out but the injury worry has.  Had nothing to do with his color.

[GRWatcher]

49 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

What are you talking about? Cam was healthy in 2012. There are certain posters that wanted to get rid of Cam, and called him inaccurate, yet Kyle hasn’t received this label, and these same posters wanted to give Kyle a chance. 
 

Sorry. I was thinking somehow the conversation got back to 2019. You know, more like real time.

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What makes this argument stupid, and why would you not want to have this conversation?

Come one, Aggie. Even you have to see this. Huddlers arguing over 2012 because of something one of them said .... in 2012? Both posting long, essay-type replies. It hurt you that bad? In 2012? Yeah, it's a stupid argument and, no, I don't want any part of it. Even Cam acknowledged it in his interview and quickly turned the focus to how things have changed for the better. That's the conversation I want to have. How to continue making things better. But not on a football forum either lol.

[TheRed]

Social media and sports together now are at times indiscernible from politics. That probably isn't changing anytime soon because humans are inherently stupid and shitty sometimes, and the average sports fan is unfortunately that and more. When you have millions of people in that social spectrum connecting this is what you get.

Best way to push forward is to call out stupidity when you see it but make it about the team. Fans just want a winner to cheer for. That is the common unifier. There are very few people who don't want to see this squad make a run with the current core we have in place. But if we hit a rebuild after a 5 win season and push our franchise QB out nobody with an actual real understanding of the history of this franchise wants to hear about record breaking contract extensions if we aren't going to be competitive. We've been down that road as a fanbase.

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The Jake and Double Trouble deals were so awful

[AggieLean]

3 hours ago, GRWatcher said:

Sorry. I was thinking somehow the conversation got back to 2019. You know, more like real time.

Come one, Aggie. Even you have to see this. Huddlers arguing over 2012 because of something one of them said .... in 2012? Both posting long, essay-type replies. It hurt you that bad? In 2012? Yeah, it's a stupid argument and, no, I don't want any part of it. Even Cam acknowledged it in his interview and quickly turned the focus to how things have changed for the better. That's the conversation I want to have. How to continue making things better. But not on a football forum either lol.

Well, if you didn’t want any part in it then you shouldn’t have got involved. You can still step away from the conversation at any point you please.

So, now one isn’t allowed to talk about the past? 2012 is quite relevant when you have a poster who wanted to scrap Cam, still wants to scrap him for his “inaccuracies”, yet Kyle exhibits even worst results and he wants to give him a shot. All I want to know is why? Just because you’re willing to ignore hypocrisies that could be rooted in something much deeper, doesn’t mean I am. I’m not going to ignore what I believe to be wrong.
 

The bold is hilarious to me. Even you acknowledge there’s something possibly wrong, yet you want to ignore it. You mention things getting better, well they don’t get better if no one talks about it lol. Cam wanted to brush off his being blasted in the head, too, but you wanted to talk about that, huh? If there’s something one sees as wrong on a football forum, then I see no reason for it to be ignored on said football forum.

[Cookie Lyon]

My boy is staying! LOVE IT!