Corona Virus

[cookinbrak]

2 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

True, but do we close down schools for the flu?  Does the flu not spread from kids to adults?  Asymptomatic folks are less likely to be a vector than symptomatic persons.  Again, college is a whole different ball of wax, but K-12 should be straight forward.

They give people flu shots to try to lessen the spread. They can do that.

[kungfoodude]

6 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

True, but do we close down schools for the flu?  Does the flu not spread from kids to adults?  Asymptomatic folks are less likely to be a vector than symptomatic persons.  Again, college is a whole different ball of wax, but K-12 should be straight forward.

They are just gonna infect the old ass teachers. I guess if you want job openings in public schools it would make sense.

[45catfan]

8 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

If you have kids teaching kids, kids running the schools, kids driving the school buses and kids raising themselves when they get home...there's no reason to shut down the schools.

The issue is not the kids, its all of the people they come in contact with.  And maybe school has changed since I was there, but a majority of my teachers could be considered higher risk.

60+?  Really?  I think I may have had maybe two teachers (in grade school) even pushing that demographic.  Most were in their 30's and 40's.  I had more teachers in their 20's than in their 50's.   

[45catfan]

This place is so freaking transparent.  On one hand, "look at the science!" and then when science is inconvenient, "but the science isn't clear on that!"

[stirs]

I just sitting here thinking that college kids cannot go to class masked, even to watch taped lessons or simulcast of their professors.

So, they just all meet at the bars that evening to ease the boredom

 

Seems like there should be ways to overcome some things rather than the all or nothing approaches our country is taking

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

60+?  Really?  I think I may have had maybe two teachers (in grade school) even pushing that demographic.  Most were in their 30's and 40's.  I had more teachers in their 20's than in their 50's.   

I had lots of olds as teachers coming up. 

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, stirs said:

I just sitting here thinking that college kids cannot go to class masked, even to watch taped lessons or simulcast of their professors.

So, they just all meet at the bars that evening to ease the boredom

 

Seems like there should be ways to overcome some things rather than the all or nothing approaches our country is taking

I don't think we are taking an approach. It's a free for all. 

That will happen when there is no logical leadership.

[45catfan]

9 minutes ago, cookinbrak said:

They give people flu shots to try to lessen the spread. They can do that.

Which is seasonal and not even 100% effective depending on the strain.

[Ja Rhule]

Developing countries population expected to drop by as much as 50% by end of century.

Fertility rate: 'Jaw-dropping' global crash in children being born https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53409521

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Ja Rhule said:

Developing countries population expected to drop by as much as 50% by end of century.

Fertility rate: 'Jaw-dropping' global crash in children being born https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53409521

This is good news, not bad news.

[45catfan]

1 minute ago, Ja Rhule said:

Developing countries population expected to drop by as much as 50% by end of century.

Fertility rate: 'Jaw-dropping' global crash in children being born https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53409521

The cost of raising kids continues to climb is the main reason.  Third world countries still continue to pop out kids like Pez candy because they have limited access to birth control and don't have the means to send their kids to college.  

[LinvilleGorge]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-coronavirus.html

This is deeply concerning.

[45catfan]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-coronavirus.html

This is deeply concerning.

I agree, but probably for completely different reasons.

Edited July 15, 2020 by 45catfan

[KSpan]

59 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

If you have kids teaching kids, kids running the schools, kids driving the school buses and kids raising themselves when they get home...there's no reason to shut down the schools.

The issue is not the kids, its all of the people they come in contact with.  And maybe school has changed since I was there, but a majority of my teachers could be considered higher risk.

 

54 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

True, but do we close down schools for the flu?  Does the flu not spread from kids to adults?  Asymptomatic folks are less likely to be a vector than symptomatic persons.  Again, college is a whole different ball of wax, but K-12 should be straight forward.

Agreed that the risk is as much to the adults as to the students. In Florida, 1/3 of all kids currently tested are positive. Regarding masks and hygiene there is no way kids, particularly younger elementary kids, can fully comply. Many just don't have the maturity yet and can't stop themselves from doing things that would compromise the protective measures.

Also, simply surviving doesn't guarantee damage-free with COVID. No one wants to see their kids with permanent effects, so even if chances are low it should be weighed. The seasonal flu doesn't leave people with wrecked lungs.

Here's an article about the current Florida situation. They are an extreme example at the moment but also perhaps an indicator of where things may be headed in more places. There could also be confounding/related factors to be considered with those numbers but any way of it kids are generally in school, so any kid tested would be in that environment. I would also wonder about the timing of those positives and antibodies/re-infection risk in those who have already been infected.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-pbc-health-director-covid-children-20200714-xcdall2tsrd4riim2nwokvmsxm-story.html

"State statistics also show the percentage of children testing positive is much higher than the population as a whole. Statewide, about 31% of 54,022 children tested have been positive. The state’s positivity rate for the entire population is about 11%."

Edited July 15, 2020 by KSpan