Marty Checking out Herbert

[MHS831]

47 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Marty can't do this simply based off BPA.  Herbert is the #3 or even #4 QB (some have Love ahead of him) over the #1 or #2-OT, LB, DT and WR.  I know it sounds funny that you can reach at #7, but it actually would be.

Plus, Oregon + QBs = Bust

They do have a proud history of QB busts since Dan Fouts of 1833.  Akili, Joey, Marcus---heck, Chris Miller might be their most successful QB taken in the first round since Fouts.

[stirs]

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

They do have a proud history of QB busts since Dan Fouts of 1833.  Akili, Joey, Marcus---heck, Chris Miller might be their most successful QB taken in the first round since Fouts.

With all the holes we have on the roster, they need to be getting value at 7, like the number 2 guy, not the number 24 guy as far as value.

IF we only needed a QB, then maybe you take the risk, but no reason to do it when we have soooo many holes and can get bargains

[MHS831]

Many of you have been sending me PM's related to this question:  What do you think about drafting a Qb, mhs? Please tell us--we seek your knowledge.  

Ok, here is an answer:

I think you build the ship before you select its captain. A strong line, a solid stable of WRs, a pair of talented backs---and you are set to sail the seas. 

I think that a system designed around the QB's strengths and a coordinator that knows how to read defensive tendencies is important as well.  No football player is a savior--but bad teams draft QBs high looking for one--and they fail because there are no quick fixes.

(OK, nobody sent me a PM about this, but that does not mean my input is not valued, dammit!)

[MHS831]

If a top 3 (maybe 4) QB is there at #7, trade back and meet some needs. 

Before, I would have said "grab the QB" but I am getting confident that we may actually find some contributing players on days 2-3 of the draft with Rhule and Brady etc.

[MHS831]

I sense that New England, with its comp picks, will package them together to offer us a trade package to move up for a QB--and that QB might be Eason or Love.

They are fully aware that we are in rebuild mode and many picks would be appealing.  By the way, if Bridgewater goes to a team before us, that makes #7 more appetizing trade bait.

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

If a top 3 (maybe 4) QB is there at #7, trade back and meet some needs. 

Before, I would have said "grab the QB" but I am getting confident that we may actually find some contributing players on days 2-3 of the draft with Rhule and Brady etc.

In my simulations recently, I've been struggling because there are so many top-notch players in rounds two and 3 at need positions tightly clustered together.  I feel like a kid in the candy store, but with only $1.  I really envy teams that have multiple picks in both of those rounds.  Really solid building blocks to be had there.

This is the reason I feel a trade back is definitely an option.  

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It is very clear on this board - and others - who has played competitive sports and who have not.  Negative nancies:  have you ever actually been punched in the face?   Many message board posters (NATTS) aren’t athletes and are commenting as fans.  They just don’t want to lose and hate it more than anything.  

Many others (PATTS) are former competitive athletes and understand that losing makes you stronger.  
 

If you never lose, you are the GOAT...until you learn outside of your sport that you are in no way the GOAT.  Losing is very important in life.

Cam has been punched in the face and he’s reacting like a champion.  

If you think Cam Newton is done at age 30, you have never been, trained, nor thought, like a big-time athlete.  
 

Cam is Elite and will be better than ever this year .  Wake the fug up Panther fans.

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

In my simulations recently, I've been struggling because there are so many top-notch players in rounds two and 3 at need positions tightly clustered together.  I feel like a kid in the candy store, but with only $1.  I really envy teams that have multiple picks in both of those rounds.  Really solid building blocks to be had there.

This is the reason I feel a trade back is definitely an option.  

I agree.  You build a roster with these kinds of players.  When I saw New England's bounty of comp picks and knowing that they are going to be in the QB market.  I immediately speculated that they would be our trade partner if we trade back.  They know we need to build our roster--and they know a QB to groom behind Brady for a year is needed now.  The problem is that NE has a first rounder and three thirds.  Here is what I would accept from them:

Their first rounder in 2020, all three third rounders, their second rounder in 2021.

I would give them our first rounder in 2020.

That would give the Pats the pick at #7 and give us  #23, 87, 98, 100.

I think they like Herbert, so if Bridgewater goes to the Chargers, for example, then Herbert is possible.  Herbert and Josh McDaniels supposedly love each other.

 

 

[KatsAzz]

{"So if Herbert falls to #7, he is the QB of the future.  If he does not, we either take Brown or trade back; someone might fall in love with Love.  If we move back, Kinlaw is the pick, and Jeudy is a possibility as well."}

{"What happens to Cam?  If they can trade him, they will--if they get Herbert.  If they do not, we just re-signed Allen and will draft Morgan. Cam could play in 2020 or he could get the commitment he demanded--on this team or another."}

I could easy see the above working out.

[mrcompletely11]

10 minutes ago, [email protected] said:

It is very clear on this board - and others - who has played competitive sports and who have not. 

Take a hike dude, I play fortnite

[MHS831]

20 minutes ago, [email protected] said:

It is very clear on this board - and others - who has played competitive sports and who have not.  Negative nancies:  have you ever actually been punched in the face?   Many message board posters (NATTS) aren’t athletes and are commenting as fans.  They just don’t want to lose and hate it more than anything.  

Many others (PATTS) are former competitive athletes and understand that losing makes you stronger.  
 

If you never lose, you are the GOAT...until you learn outside of your sport that you are in no way the GOAT.  Losing is very important in life.

Cam has been punched in the face and he’s reacting like a champion.  

If you think Cam Newton is done at age 30, you have never been, trained, nor thought, like a big-time athlete.  
 

Cam is Elite and will be better than ever this year .  Wake the fug up Panther fans.

I played in college--and I think Cam has been punched in the face--twice as often as any other NFL qb--which is why he can't finish seasons.  If you have ever played competitive sports, you also know the training room, where stainless steel tubs filled with ice line the walls.  Your teammates, by that time, all have surgical scars and grimace when they rehab a knee or shoulder in the weight room.  It is an endurance test, a filtering process.  Most of my teammates never finished the four years.  I injured my shoulder and had to have reconstructive surgery.  I came back, hurt it again in spring ball---there was scar tissue and I had it cleaned up, I thought.  I was never the same.  Instead of getting better, I was catching up--that is what rehab does. Football breaks you gradually.  You cheer for those who survived the filtering process without considering all of the injured competitors that did not. 

So to ignore the beating that Cam has taken is not characteristic of someone who knows competitive football.  I can say this--if you played High school ball--it was slow and not real dangerous.  The opposition might have had 1 or 2 players who were going on to college.  In college, those players in high school are probably on somebody's bench.  Everyone on the other side was a stud in college.  It is 10 times faster, 10 times more violent.  The pro game is probably 10 times faster and more violent than college. 

You cannot say that Cam is going to be fine when, for three of the last four seasons, he has not been elite or fine.  That has nothing to do with your macho approach to football, grrrrr!

Afterthought: FWIW, I have four teammates who went to the NFL--2 became pro bowlers--and I have 2 other friends who played for the Steelers and the other the Dolphins.  We chat on occasion.  All say this: They don't know, but Carolina better have a backup plan.  One said that the Denver game following the Super Bowl, when Cam was targeted-should have ended Cam's career.  He said that RR should have pulled him in protest.  He says now that 2016's season was ruined based on that game.  He also said Cam was taking a beating like no other QB in the NFL--and told me that he is not playing into his mid thirties.  Thinking so is stupid.

That is what competitive athletes have to say about Cam. 

[MHS831]

14 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Take a hike dude, I play fortnite

Tell him what level you are on--go ahead--he needs to hear this.

[sml1950]

Anyone who thinks that Hurney is the decision maker on any QB is living in the past.  Rhule with inputs from Brady and Hurney will have the final say on Cam, the draft and Free Agency.  The fact that Hurney was in Eugene was more fact gathering with Herberts coaches and players that watching him throw.

[stbugs]

3 hours ago, 45catfan said:

In my simulations recently, I've been struggling because there are so many top-notch players in rounds two and 3 at need positions tightly clustered together.  I feel like a kid in the candy store, but with only $1.  I really envy teams that have multiple picks in both of those rounds.  Really solid building blocks to be had there.

This is the reason I feel a trade back is definitely an option.  

That’s why I laugh when people keep saying the Dolphins screwed up their tank. Aside from the fact that they won 3 games against trash teams (Cincy, Jets and Indy without Brissett), they’ve got 3 firsts, 2 seconds and the 6th pick in the 3rd. They’ll likely get Tua and 5 other guys by the time we’ll have 3 picks in. They also have 2 firsts and 2 seconds next year. Draft like the Browns and they’re a little better. Drafts well and they’re a playoff contender in 2-3 years.