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3 players we should consider in the first round

Mister

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MHS831 Grand Master

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1 minute ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Miami is definitely moving up to take Tua, possibly with the Redskins at #2

I had them trading up with the Lions---but I think they will move.  Let's say they move up with Washington--that makes it interesting--

Burrow (Cin)

Tua (Miami)

Young (Det)

Wills (NYG) They have to draft a OT

Okudah (Wash--need a norman replacement)

Herbert (LAC)

---SIMMONS, BROWN,  WIRFS,  KINLAW, LAMB, JEUDY, BECTON, THOMAS---we can trade back and still get a top player--if we traded back to pick 15, for example, and seven picks went off this list, would you take the remaining player PLUS a second rounder, I would.

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48 minutes ago, davos said:

You should not expect this to be the case.  I'd love us to as well but all indicators are that we are building the D first and the offense is in stop-gap mode with CMC and Moore leading the unit.  Maybe we get a mid round center or swing lineman.   

Oh, trust me. I fully expect this franchise to make terrible decisions at this point. This is the best OT draft in recent memory, we've struggled for a decade at OT, we'll probably try to find our franchise QB of the future in the next year or two... of course we won't look at an OT at #7.

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2 hours ago, Mister said:

#1 Jeff okuduh - he’s a solid lock down corner , something we need desperately in the nfc south . Ron rivera and company never took the corner position serious maybe that can change under rhule . 
 

#2 Derrick brown . Don’t really need to say anything about this guy , he is a bully and he will free up our oline and stuff the run and be a compliment to kk short 

 

#3 isiah Simmons - basically a combo of Shaq Thompson and Thomas davis , he can do it all and will make a huge impact from day one 

 or we can always trade back and get a lineman and other positions but I don’t think we should waste the #7 draft spot as per previous years a lot of stars were drafted at 7.

positions we should avoid ...

wr- this draft is too deep for wr and it’s easier to find a wr in the late rounds compared to other positions

qb- with the signing of Bridgewater we should not touch any of these qbs , Herbert sucks and has bust written all over him , only decent one Is tua and he most likely won’t be there . Also as bad as Grier was giving him one more chance to learn can be beneficial with joe Brady/ rhules offense. 
 

 

CAROLINA PANTHERS: 27%

Here we hit the top odds for a potential Simmons landing spot. The Panthers are in dire need of an impact linebacker after the departure of Luke Kuechly. They also have needs on the defensive line, and the quarterback situation with Cam Newton appears to be souring more and more by the day. However, with the Panthers’ eyes potentially towards next year's quarterback class, grabbing Simmons at No. 7 would be a sweet spot for need, fit and draft projection.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/isaiah-simmons-nfl-draft-lions-giants-panthers-jaguars-2020

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3 hours ago, Mister said:

#1 Jeff okuduh - he’s a solid lock down corner , something we need desperately in the nfc south . Ron rivera and company never took the corner position serious maybe that can change under rhule . 
 

#2 Derrick brown . Don’t really need to say anything about this guy , he is a bully and he will free up our oline and stuff the run and be a compliment to kk short 

 

#3 isiah Simmons - basically a combo of Shaq Thompson and Thomas davis , he can do it all and will make a huge impact from day one 

 or we can always trade back and get a lineman and other positions but I don’t think we should waste the #7 draft spot as per previous years a lot of stars were drafted at 7.

positions we should avoid ...

wr- this draft is too deep for wr and it’s easier to find a wr in the late rounds compared to other positions

qb- with the signing of Bridgewater we should not touch any of these qbs , Herbert sucks and has bust written all over him , only decent one Is tua and he most likely won’t be there . Also as bad as Grier was giving him one more chance to learn can be beneficial with joe Brady/ rhules offense. 
 

 

I love okudah and Simmons however Brown will effect the entire defense on every play. He will free up lbers, give the other dlineman one on one's, and allow our dbs not to worry about play action as much. We don't have a guy like this and Brown is rare as he can blow the qb up too. He's like getting 2 players in one imo and if he is what I think we will regret not taking him. 

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2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I take it that you do not see a CB or WR in the top 3 mix?

I have no idea what we are going to do.  I am going with Simmons, as I have for some time.  Brown? Maybe. 

I see Jalen Hurts still sitting there at the seventh pick in the second round and no way we pass up on the chance to get the next franchise QB to understudy for TB. 

And we have to shore up the middle of both lines even more than we need CBs. 

Just my opinion.

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2 hours ago, Jesse said:

Jalen Hurts is not an NFL QB, sorry to break it to you. If you watch what Lincoln Riley did with him was take a lot of low % down field shots to CeeDee Lamb and use him in the run game frequently. His short to mid range completion % was much lower than even guys like Fromm IIRC. He doesn't throw guys open (look at this video by JT O'Sullivan to learn about what I mean). His mechanics are a little wonky. With all that being said, I really like Jalen Hurts as a person and leader. Those traits alone aren't good enough to be a starter in the NFL, however.

They said the same about Cam. The exact same things about Cam. 

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27 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

They said the same about Cam. The exact same things about Cam. 

Some of the things they said were true; relying on his upper body strength to throw, poor footwork, has to use his mobility in order to excel at the QB position. What “they” were wrong about was Malzahn’s offense and his ability to read defenses. 
 

I think Hurts is mentally there. He has decent arm strength, pocket presence, and an ability to run. I don’t think he has the other things you need to be a QB like I previously mentioned. Got any argument as to why you think we should pick him in the 2nd?

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3 hours ago, CaliPanthers said:

To me its between Simmons, Okuda and Brown. 

Simmons and Okuda stay on the field all the time, that's why I favor them more than Brown. Plus I feel like their positions project better long term. I love Brown though and think he fits perfect on our team. 

Simmons can be used as the SAM LB or SS on early downs and can move to the ILB for nickel and Dime formations. He can be a full time WILL LB from day 1. So versatile and would be huge for our future as we build the team.

 

When I mock, and I mock frequently, I cannot pass on Simmons for the reasons you state here.

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