Derrick Brown Combine

[Soul Rebel]

6 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

No doubt in my mind we have 3 targeted players at 7 if we stay.. And either 1 would have me happy...

Question for you @LinvilleGorge..

As you mock draft what combinations are you having a problem with the most??

Example

if we go Simmons 1st where do you go next??

Okuada and Brown are easier for me to mock out a strong draft class..

But Simmons 1st makes it a little harder to mock a solid draft without leaving a hole some where...

Not to speak for LG, but if we go Simmons first, I think CB is the next move in round 2 and then a DT like Fotu can be had in R3.

[WOW!!]

3 minutes ago, Soul Rebel said:

Not to speak for LG, but if we go Simmons first, I think CB is the next move in round 2 and then a DT like Fotu can be had in R3.

That's what I've been doing.. But I really like to grab a Safety in the 3rd if I could too.. Dugger got my eye big time in the 3rd...  but I know we need a DT at that point and I kinda want to double tap that position and get another CB later in the draft.. Which prevents me from looking at OG/C or WR...

[Soul Rebel]

16 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

That's what I've been doing.. But I really like to grab a Safety in the 3rd if I could too.. Dugger got my eye big time in the 3rd...  but I know we need a DT at that point and I kinda want to double tap that position and get another CB later in the draft.. Which prevents me from looking at OG/C or WR...

Yeah, it’s hard bc we have so many holes and probably won’t fit starting caliber players in all of them this current offseason.....especially if Hurney is at the controls.

I am not in love with our OL, but think it will get us through 2020 & can reevaluate next year with more cap space and a clearer vision of our path under Rhule/Brady/Snow.

If we can walk away with Simmons/Diggs/Elliott in rounds 1-3, I would be stoked. 

[stbugs]

3 minutes ago, CaliPanthers said:

If we go Simmons in the 1st, Id look at CB, DT and OL in the 2nd. With BPA on my mind. We shouldn't draft for need or the fact that we need a DT and CB. If someone like Denzel Mims is there, Id be all over him. Got to think about the long term picture with this. 

I like Cesar Ruiz OC/OG in the 2nd. Turns 21years old in June. Could be our new Ryan Kalil, he was a BPA pick too, he wasn't a need.

Drafting for need this year is not smart, no matter if Hurney or anyone else thinks we can win. Whoever is the best player available should be our pick, barring something we don't need at all. Very few things we don't need, but I'd take #2 BPA WR over #1 BPA RB. Funny thing is I honestly can't think of any other position on the team that I wouldn't want to add talent this year. Same for next year. We need so much talent, we can't be reaching like last year.

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I see a lot of people claiming that Brown had a bad Combine. I honestly think that's just because we saw some truly freakish performances from some freakishly large men at this year's Combine.

I like to look at current player comps when looking at Combine performances.

Derrick Brown - 6'5" 326 pounds with 34.25" arms and 9" hands

40: 5.16 seconds

Bench: 28 reps

Vertical: 27"

Broad Jump: 108"

3 cone: 8.22 seconds

20 yard shuttle: 4.79 seconds

The best comps? Just two the best DTs currently in the NFL.

Akiem Hicks - 6'5" 318 pounds with 35" arms and 10.25" hands

40: 5.23 seconds

Bench: 26 reps

Vertical: 31.5"

Broad Jump: 108"

3 cond: 7.75 seconds

20 yard shuttle: 4.86 seconds

Jurrell Casey - 6'1" 300 pounds with 32" arms and 9" hands

40: 5.06 seconds

Bench: 26 reps

Vertical: 27.5"

Broad Jump: 101"

3 cone: 7.75 seconds

20 yard shuttle: 4.78 seconds

 

When you compare Brown's Combine performance with current proven elite NFL DTs instead of guys in his own class who may or may not prove to be workout wonders there's nothing alarming about it.

And Dontari Poe had a freakish combine

[stbugs]

23 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

That's what I've been doing.. But I really like to grab a Safety in the 3rd if I could too.. Dugger got my eye big time in the 3rd...  but I know we need a DT at that point and I kinda want to double tap that position and get another CB later in the draft.. Which prevents me from looking at OG/C or WR...

Honestly, S is a position I'm not too worried about this year. I know we just need talent, but S is actually a spot where we have 2 starters lined up for the next two/three years. Knowing that we have 1 CB, not 3, 1 LB, not 3, 1 very expensive/not good enough DT, not 2, 2 WRs not 3, 4 potential holes on the OL in 2021, franchise QB hole, maybe TE, maybe DE starter hole. Safety and RB might be the only spots where we have our starter spots actually filled. Those might be the only positions that I'd pass over BPA for the next best BPA.

[LinvilleGorge]

44 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

No doubt in my mind we have 3 targeted players at 7 if we stay.. And either 1 would have me happy...

Question for you @LinvilleGorge..

As you mock draft what combinations are you having a problem with the most??

Example

if we go Simmons 1st where do you go next??

Okuada and Brown are easier for me to mock out a strong draft class..

But Simmons 1st makes it a little harder to mock a solid draft without leaving a hole some where...

IMO, it's the toughest if you take Jeudy or another WR at #7. 

I know we need defense, but honestly taking advantages of the strength of this draft would probably mean going OT in the 1st and WR in the 2nd. I think there's gonna be a WR there at #38 that would stand zero chance of making it out of the 1st in a typical WR draft.

[MHS831]

8 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Drafting for need this year is not smart, no matter if Hurney or anyone else thinks we can win. Whoever is the best player available should be our pick, barring something we don't need at all. Very few things we don't need, but I'd take #2 BPA WR over #1 BPA RB. Funny thing is I honestly can't think of any other position on the team that I wouldn't want to add talent this year. Same for next year. We need so much talent, we can't be reaching like last year.

You sure make a lot of sense 94.5% of the time.  This is absolutely correct.

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Drafting for need this year is not smart, no matter if Hurney or anyone else thinks we can win. Whoever is the best player available should be our pick, barring something we don't need at all. Very few things we don't need, but I'd take #2 BPA WR over #1 BPA RB. Funny thing is I honestly can't think of any other position on the team that I wouldn't want to add talent this year. Same for next year. We need so much talent, we can't be reaching like last year.

Yeah, the problem we have is that outside of RB there literally isn't a position on the roster where we can't justify a very high pick. I mean, think about that. Yikes.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

And Dontari Poe had a freakish combine

He really did and outside of his 2nd and 3rd seasons, he really underperformed. I don't think to the point of being called a bust, but certainly a disappointment for a 1st rounder.

[stirs]

Since pro days are pretty washed out, tape study will be king for evaluators

[45catfan]

We have depth at LB and while not opposed to Simmons at #7, he would be my 4th choice.  Nobody in this LB draft class will replace Luke.   That said, Brown can replace Poe, Okunda can replace Bradberry and Wills can definitely replace our revolving RT situation (I still feel Moton is better suited as a guard).  

If we don't get Brown in round one, we have to come back in the second round, no later than third, for a DT. In that scenario I have been taking Okunda (usually still available) and coming back to DT in the second. 

I agree with the person that says they can't get a complete mock with Simmons going at #7.  The best mocks I have are void of a LB, even though I'm really high on a kid from Texas Tech with a 3rd round value.  When I take him, another position goes lacking.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, CaliPanthers said:

I try to think past this year. I do love Brown and think he fits our team and need perfect because no other DT can give us what he has. He really is a perfect building block for our defense, that's why Ill be fired up if we get him.

Just looking at Simmons though, his future his so bright, so versatile, so much potential and a perfect building block to our defense. He isn't gonna replace Luke though, so you can't think of him like that. 

Brown is a beast, his strength is off the charts, but DT do get more tired and are more rotational players. While Simmons and Okuda may never leave the field.

Plus looking at them long term, the pounding in the trenches is probably tougher than how we should play Simmons and Okuda would take. 

This year though, Brown makes the most sense, followed closely by Okuda and then Simmons IMO but Im looking at the future.

Simmons won't be doing much but fighting OL for his first season or two if we draft him.

Our run D has fallen off a cliff since we lost Star and I don't think it's a coincidence. There's also the Samford University study that showed that of all statistical categories, run defense had the strongest correlation to winning and second place wasn't even close.

[MHS831]

I really hope we trade back. 

Here is what we can be about 80% sure of:

The Chargers did not go after a free agent QB after Brady--and seem uninterested.  They are going QB.  They may have to trade down to get one--unless Love is on their minds.

It will be interesting.  If Miami trades down with Washington as rumored for Tua,  then LAC almost half to try to trade with Detroit to keep some team from leaping over them for Herbert.  It is likely that the Chargers go after Herbert.  So let's say The Chargers try to trade with Detroit, but they want Young.  The Giants, knowing that their pick is likely to be there at #6, trade back to #6 and the Chargers take Herbert in the #4 spot.

So the draft goes like this, 1-5:

• Burrow (CIN)
• Tua (MIA) Trade with Redskins for both Dolphins first rounders.
• Herbert (LAC) Detroit GM has been open to trades--Miami knows it, which is why they had to trade with Washington.  LAC had to trade up with Detroit to keep someone else from getting Herbert.
• Young (NYG) There is no way Gettlemen lets Young slip by him.  He said in an interview with NYG reporters, "You do not want to regret passing on that great player by trading back...."
• Okudah (WASH) Skins get a second first rounder from Fins and get a shut down CB to replace Norman.
• Brown (DET) The Lions have 3 primary needs--and i would not put another trade back from them here--but they are Edge (4-3 end), CB, and IDL.  Brown makes sense.

Who is left? 

My board

1. Simmons.