Teddy Bridgewater vs. the Field

[KSpan]

11 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Do you even watch football? Half of this qbs you liked seemed like you were eating them base of of their madden overall or fantasy points.

 

i don’t even think you took into account what our offense is going to look like.

No one has an idea what the offense is going to look like. It's all speculation at this point based on some name recognition, some coachspeak, and some bargain-bin signings.

[Jaxel]

1 minute ago, beo said:

also what the hell's up with all this revisionist history on stafford? he's surrounded by a horrid organization and has never had a running game to speak of. even packers fans would agree he's a good qb. i'd easily take him over dak, top 10 qb when healthy. looking at wins and losses ignores context, but i guess barry and calvin were bad too because they never won anything on an organization that can't properly build around them

Completely agree, i would take Stafford in a heart beat 

[Icege]

Very much disagree on Garappolo, Murray, Cousins, Foles/Trubisky, Wentz, Prescott, Carr, Burrow, Darnold, Allen, and Fitzpatrick/Tua. I think that Bridgewater gives us a better chance to win now in this offense than any of those guys.

Not that some of them aren't as good as Bridgewater, just that he fits what Brady's offense is looking to do.

[LinvilleGorge]

Josh Allen - Allen

Fitzpatrick/Tua - Tua

Jarrett Stidham - Bridgewater

Sam Darnold - Bridgewater

Lamar Jackson - LOL

Joe Burrow - Burrow

Baker Mayfield - Mayfield

Ben Roethlisberger - Roethlisberger

Deshaun Watson - Watson.

Philip Rivers - Honestly at this point I'd take Bridgewater over Rivers.

Gardner Minshew - Minshew was better last year as a rookie on a bad team than Teddy has ever been. Minshew.

Ryan Tannehill - Tannehill

Drew Lock - Lock showed enough promise last season for me to say Lock

Patrick Mahomes - LOL

Derek Carr - Carr

Tyrod Taylor/Justin Herbert - Bridgewater. I think Herbert is Blaine Gabbert 2.0.

Dak Prescott - Prescott

Daniel Jones - Jones

Carson Wentz - Wentz

Dwayne Haskins/Kyle Allen - Bridegwater fumbles less than Allen, so Bridgewater.

Nick Foles/Mitch Trubisky - Foles

Matt Stafford - Stafford

Aaron Rodgers - LOL

Kirk Cousins - Cousins

Matt Ryan - Ryan

Drew Brees - Brees

Tom Brady - Brady

Kylar Murray - Murray

Jared Goff - Goff

Jimmy Garappolo - Garrapolo

Russell Wilson - Wilson

So, at the end of the day I have Bridgewater 27th out of 32.

[LinvilleGorge]

10 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

It was stated in this topic that NO doesn't have elite talent on offense besides the o line and Thomas, maybe kamara. I am just saying.

Gotcha, so other than their OL, a WR, and a RB, their offense is pedestrian? Damn. Sucks they aren't elite at TE and #2 WR because that's pretty much all that's left. LOL

[Jaxel]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Gotcha, so other than their OL, a WR, and a RB, their offense is pedestrian? Damn. Sucks they aren't elite at TE and #2 WR because that's pretty much all that's left. LOL

The point is, Brees did not elevate the Saints last year any more than Bridgewater did. Bridgewater may not be the best thing since sliced bread but there was a time when we considered an up an coming QB with some elite skils and that got ruined by his injury.  

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

The point is, Brees did not elevate the Saints last year any more than Bridgewater did. 

That's a wildly incorrect narrative.

Last season comparison, Brees vs. Bridgewater:

74.3% completion percentage vs. 67.9%

7.1% TD percentage vs. 4.6%

2.57 seconds average time to throw (2nd in the NFL) vs. 2.82 seconds average time to throw (23rd in the NFL) led to 12 sacks in 11 starts vs. 12 sacks in 5 starts

That last comparison might be the biggest issue going into next season. We led the NFL in sacks allowed last year and Kyle Allen was 11th in the NFL in average time to throw while Bridgewater was ranked 23rd. 

[Wes21]

These kind of posts are always risky and ripe with tons of counter narratives, so I'm surprise how much I agree with the OP.  I probably only disagree with 2 or 3 guys at most.  Most notably, I'd rather have Teddy than Josh Allen (salary being a non-factor).  In the end I come away with this to summarize who I think Teddy Bridgewater is.  

If you put a healthy Teddy with the 2017 Jags, they would be Super Bowl Champions instead of getting knocked out in the AFC Championship Game.

If you put a healthy Teddy with the 2016 Lions, they barely win any games and are competing for the #1 pick instead of 9-7 and a wildcard team.

In short, he will run the offense as its intended to be ran but he's not going to make many throws that are better than the play design or the guys around him.  He's also not going to make a lot of mistakes.  If you put a championship team around him, he's going to help you compete for a championship.  But if you put a crap team around him, he's not the kind of guy that will put a team on his back and make it happen.  

 

[davos]

Watch PJ Walker have to come in and absolutely go ham early in the year, leading us to 10-6. 

I kid, I kid.   

My problem is that Teddy has never produced a score at will type offense.  Really interested to see how he jives here.  Would take him over the NE, WAS and JAX situations but that's about it.  Also thinks Rivers is more done than people realize.  Eason will have to come in early but won't look that good.  

I'm just really curious to see how this unfolds.  Just downright interested. 

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, davos said:

Watch PJ Walker have to come in and absolutely go ham early in the year, leading us to 10-6. 

I kid, I kid.   

My problem is that Teddy has never produced a score at will type offense.  Really interested to see how he jives here.  Would take him over the NE, WAS and JAX situations but that's about it.  Also thinks Rivers is more done than people realize.  Eason will have to come in early but won't look that good.  

I'm just really curious to see how this unfolds.  Just downright interested. 

I honestly expect to see Walker at some point this season. I'm just not sure if it'll be due to injury or just get a look at him after we're out of contention and Teddy is his usual mediocre self.

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

Do you even watch football? Half of this qbs you liked seemed like you were eating them base of of their madden overall or fantasy points.

 

i don’t even think you took into account what our offense is going to look like.

Well I didn't eat any of them. 

And why would I take into account an offense that the team itself hasn't put one single rep into? Not to mention I literally stated at the beginning that anyone could make their argument basis on any number of factors. 

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

Has he been to the playoffs?

Do you even watch football?

He has been to the playoffs three times.

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, Icege said:

Very much disagree on Garappolo, Murray, Cousins, Foles/Trubisky, Wentz, Prescott, Carr, Burrow, Darnold, Allen, and Fitzpatrick/Tua. I think that Bridgewater gives us a better chance to win now in this offense than any of those guys.

Not that some of them aren't as good as Bridgewater, just that he fits what Brady's offense is looking to do.

I could understand perhaps some of that thought process but why Burrow? That dude literally ran this offense last year. Frankly, he is probably the most suited QB we could find.

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's a wildly incorrect narrative.

Last season comparison, Brees vs. Bridgewater:

74.3% completion percentage vs. 67.9%

7.1% TD percentage vs. 4.6%

2.57 seconds average time to throw (2nd in the NFL) vs. 2.82 seconds average time to throw (23rd in the NFL) led to 12 sacks in 11 starts vs. 12 sacks in 5 starts

That last comparison might be the biggest issue going into next season. We led the NFL in sacks allowed last year and Kyle Allen was 11th in the NFL in average time to throw while Bridgewater was ranked 23rd. 

And this has been a consistent issue with Bridgewater his entire career. His sack percentages are extremely high.