Panthers alumni answer questions about Cam Newton

[LinvilleGorge]

2 hours ago, Icege said:

Matt Ryan's passing attempts those years: 566, 615, 651, 628, 614, 534, 529, 608, 616. He has never had over 5k yards in a single season unless you're trying to fluff his numbers with postseason stats as well. The highest was 2018 when he threw for 4924. His first two seasons were the only ones he wasn't asked to throw it over 500 times. He has also ALWAYS had top tier weapons.

Cam Newton has had only two seasons where he had more than 500 passing attempts. The first, his rookie season, he broke 4k. The other was 3.5k, and that was the season he was riddled with injuries. Cam was always the top tier weapon.

You are repeatedly fuging up this challenge.  At what point are you willing to admit that you don't even have the facts straight?

NEVER!!!

A good portion of this "fan base" never wanted Cam, convinced themselves of his "fake smile" before he was drafted, and begrudgingly enjoyed the success we had on the field with him. Now that he's gone, they wish to try to rewrite history and pretend he was never a good QB anyway, was the direct cause of every loss, and the only reason we won any games was completely unrelated to the QB position. 

[RASTAN66]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

A good portion of this "fan base" never wanted Cam, convinced themselves of his "fake smile" before he was drafted, and begrudgingly enjoyed the success we had on the field with him.

That's just not true.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, RASTAN66 said:

That's just not true.

 

[RASTAN66]

Funny you'd post a pic of a guy who has an estranged relationship with the truth.

Curious.....how much is a "good portion"?  20%?  45%?  More?

[rico6]

19 minutes ago, RASTAN66 said:

That's just not true.

yeah, mister join date of Mar 3 you know of the absolute wasteland this forum was in the summer of 2011 

[XOBlackxJokerOX]

On 5/25/2020 at 7:07 PM, Panthera onca said:

Tolbert is trolling here. Cam controlled the time line of his surgeries. It’s disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

 

How do you figure? I'm sure he has more inside info than folks on a message board. Take it with a grain of salt but don't discount it. The team doctors are the ones that advise the treatment, schedules, rehab, and the like. Kinda makes sense when the league controls what they put in their bodies that they'd control what they do with it as well like these motorcycle clauses and high risk activity prevention. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

7 hours ago, RenoCarolina said:

on Nov 1st we were 4-3 and coming off a 51-13 humiliating loss that exposed all 3 phases of our game as crappy.   Much like the year before and the Steeler game. ( Another game Tepper will never forget.)  At that moment we needed Cam to come back or at least make concrete plans to come back and instead he went to get a 3rd opinion.  JMO, but I think that is when he lost Tepper. 

Then, after going on IR Cam decided to get surgery in December where his recovery would come in March.  Forcing the Panthers (and, in the end, the rest of the NFL) to negotiate any extension or new contract while Cam's health was less than 100%.   Then, as pointed out in the article, Covid-19 did us no favors.

Don't get me wrong, I hate that Cam is not our #1 any longer.  But to place 100% of the blame on the Panther organization is not a correct reading of all the facts.  And if you want proof of that you only have to see that Cam's services are still available.

This is just wrong on so many levels, how can you lose tepper when the 1-3 opinions advised against surgery ??? Yet surgery all along was the long term fix to the injury, tepper was mad cam didn’t go out there AGAIN not 100% and risk injury ? 

he opted for surgery in December because he wasn’t healing any better waiting and had been through 3 drs, including our team drs, on what steps to take to recovery.

meanwhile during that period we had idiotic takes on cam was purportedly waiting to have surgery when all along that was far from the truth 
 

[MasterAwesome]

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

NEVER!!!

A good portion of this "fan base" never wanted Cam, convinced themselves of his "fake smile" before he was drafted, and begrudgingly enjoyed the success we had on the field with him. Now that he's gone, they wish to try to rewrite history and pretend he was never a good QB anyway, was the direct cause of every loss, and the only reason we won any games was completely unrelated to the QB position. 

Can you attempt to quantify what you believe a "good portion" to be?

I mean, yeah no poo there are racists in this fanbase who never have and never will like Cam...this is America...that sadly exists within the very fiber of our nation.  But it's really weird for people to desperately try and make Cam into some martyr or symbol of oppression and racism when he is so clearly overwhelmingly beloved in our fanbase.  I have no idea why people have to overly legitimize his contingent of haters...choosing to empower their presence way beyond their means.  I genuinely have to question if you have been to a single Panthers' home game, or else you would see what kind of reception Cam routinely gets among Panthers' fans...him emerging from the tunnel is absolutely deafening and without a doubt the loudest of any Panther.  That outpouring of love and support drowns out the hate tenfold.  The Panthers' social media has had their comment section completely overtaken by people outraged over Cam's departure.  I don't remember that happening for Greg Olsen...which is weird, considering the narrative on our fanbase.

But sure, let's ignore the mountain of empirical evidence and instead dwell on Karen and Clarence's Facebook comments and the local Huddle trolls.  Tis the Huddle way I suppose...always hyper-focused on the negative.

[RASTAN66]

2 hours ago, rico6 said:

yeah, mister join date of Mar 3 you know of the absolute wasteland this forum was in the summer of 2011 

This forum is in no way representative of the broader Panthers fan base.

The statement may be true as it relates to this forum, but otherwise it has no merit.

[RASTAN66]

15 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

That doesn’t excuse the team drs, looks like every dr was wrong except the one who told cam surgery was the fix.

Now connecting that to the cam begging the team to let him have surgery is a monumental stretch for the average joe but I can see what Tolbert might have been referring too, the guy doesn’t have any bad blood with the old or new panthers regime. 

Surely you don't believe that?

As for there not being any bad blood between the Panthers and Tolbert, this is no longer the case.   

Given how Tolbert's wired I suspect he already regrets providing the quotes for that article.  Will be interesting to see if he ever comments on it again.  Will also be interesting to see if he ever speaks with Joe Person again. 

I won't be surprised if he goes to Tepper and makes formal apology.

[cookinbrak]

4 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

NEVER!!!

A good portion of this "fan base" never wanted Cam, convinced themselves of his "fake smile" before he was drafted, and begrudgingly enjoyed the success we had on the field with him. Now that he's gone, they wish to try to rewrite history and pretend he was never a good QB anyway, was the direct cause of every loss, and the only reason we won any games was completely unrelated to the QB position. 

Define "a good portion". I'll wait until your opinion gets sent to you.

[RASTAN66]

15 hours ago, nosuchthingasapanther said:

i wouldn't say all the doctors who wouldn't do the surgery were wrong. it's more like he finally found someone who agreed to do it.

Exactly.

Shopped doctors until he found one who was willing to cut on him. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

1 hour ago, RASTAN66 said:

Surely you don't believe that?

As for there not being any bad blood between the Panthers and Tolbert, this is no longer the case.   

Given how Tolbert's wired I suspect he already regrets providing the quotes for that article.  Will be interesting to see if he ever comments on it again.  Will also be interesting to see if he ever speaks with Joe Person again. 

I won't be surprised if he goes to Tepper and makes formal apology.

Why would he? The staff is long gone from what I understand and the coaching staff involved. His comments have no merit towards tepper like I stated before cause he’s not responsible for that staffs shortcomings 

[RenoCarolina]

2 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

This is just wrong on so many levels, how can you lose tepper when the 1-3 opinions advised against surgery ??? Yet surgery all along was the long term fix to the injury, tepper was mad cam didn’t go out there AGAIN not 100% and risk injury ? 

he opted for surgery in December because he wasn’t healing any better waiting and had been through 3 drs, including our team drs, on what steps to take to recovery.

meanwhile during that period we had idiotic takes on cam was purportedly waiting to have surgery when all along that was far from the truth 
 

 

Didn't say Tepper was mad.   I said he "lost" Tepper in that he wasn't going to bet a third season on Cam's health.  

No one is ever going to prove one way or another that Cam should have had surgery or even that he needed surgery.  I'm not privvy to the details of the 3 opinions and I am assuming no one on this board is either.  Add to that the nebulous nature of a lisfranc injury as it is.   Knowing how much Cam cares about the game and the Panthers and his own legacy I have no doubt he would have played if there was any chance of pulling that off.  

My entire issue with this is how quickly some can place 100% of the blame on Tepper and/or the front office.    Both sides were in untenable positions.  Given how terrible the choices were, and with all the other turnover and problems from the past years, I'm really impressed with how the Panthers have positioned themselves to compete in 2020.... if they get the chance.