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Gordon Hayward signs with Charlotte 4 years/120M

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14 hours ago, TikTOK said:

I think that Terry actually posted another tweet or something showing he was packing and leaving shortly after that post to Gordon. 

Terry bad mouthed Hayward and Celtics organization on his ESPN tour after he was traded to the Hornets.  Might be a little awkward, but they are professionals.

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21 hours ago, TikTOK said:

Bird was one hell of an executive. Magic is actually a part owner of the Dodgers who just won the World Series. Jordan is a terrible owner/executive. The only good thing he has done is brought the Hornets back. I’m not sure that he really wanted to bring the name back to Charlotte. 

Of course he did. I said they no longer have meaningful roles in the NBA. Magic or Bird, true.

Owners hire and fire "executives", can't compare, not on the same level of achievement.

MJ is more successful, no question, check the bank accounts.

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On 11/24/2020 at 12:30 PM, SizzleBuzz said:

Irrelevant.  Incredibly unlikely.  Another low bar.

Mitch didn't have the authority to change anything, much less everything.  No credit given.

Bird was NBA Coach of the Year and NBA Executive of the Year...and NBA Player of the Year.  All Mike has done is destroy value in every executive role he's had in the NBA.

Too funny, Tepper and Mike a diametric opposites, that you'd mention them in comparison is laughable.

Hayward has missed 111 games over the last 3 seasons...or 45% (include playoffs & it's a lot more).    That's troubling.

I encourage you to do so!

Have fun. 

He could have drove that plane into the ground as GM he DID make decisions. So your saying he got paid while others made his decisions!? C'mon man. That's a reach.

Hayward I'll give you that but no risk no gain.

You know more about MJ than you know about Tepper, that includes most people NOT on wallstreet so watch and wait. Those wallstreet guys are cutthroat we'll see how he does with people instead of tips and numbers. Winning in business doesn't translate to winning in the NFL. Mike learned that it's not easy and so will Tepper. Odds are in favor of that.

 

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13 hours ago, rippadonn said:

He could have drove that plane into the ground as GM he DID make decisions. So your saying he got paid while others made his decisions!? C'mon man. That's a reach.

Hayward I'll give you that but no risk no gain.

You know more about MJ than you know about Tepper, that includes most people NOT on wallstreet so watch and wait. Those wallstreet guys are cutthroat we'll see how he does with people instead of tips and numbers. Winning in business doesn't translate to winning in the NFL. Mike learned that it's not easy and so will Tepper. Odds are in favor of that.

Yes, he was an assistant and was paid as such.  Jerry West was flying that plane, not Mitch.  After Jerry retired (2000) and Mitch did actually become the man-in-charge he inherited Shaq & Kobe....even Cho could have kept that plane airborne and on a steady path.  After Kobe aged to the point he couldn't carry the team anymore the Mitch-led Lakers accomplished a whole lot of nothing --- missing the playoffs 6-consecutive years and didn't win a playoff game for 7-consecutive years --- all under Mitch...the single worst stretch in the entire Lakers history.  Keep in mind this is The Lakers, who are located in probably the most attractive NBA market in the great United States of America. 

Look, I like Mitch...he's definitely qualified for the job (Cho wasn't).  I also believe Mitch is probably in the top-1/3rd of GM's in the league...but, all the things that worked for him in LA (franchise history, location, competent ownership, funding) --- are working against him in Charlotte.  (in truth and fairness to Mitch, after Dr. Buss passed away the Lakers "ownership" transformed from highly competent...to incompetent...and this made it hard for Mitch to do the job)

Mike Jordan is (i) incompetent as a NBA owner, and (ii) he is underfunded relative to his peers. 

No GM can overcome these  2 constraints...unless...they are given complete control of all basketball ops, and, they possess a skill-set akin to Pat Riley --- Mike Jordan will never allow this to happen.  

If you want to learn a bit about Tepper and how he operates there's a post near the bottom of page-4 of this thread that will shed some light on it:  https://www.carolinahuddle.com/boards/topic/165865-how-nfl-executives-view-rhule/?&page=4#comments

Tepper is the opposite of Mike Jordan, entirely competent and has the heaviest wallet of all his peers -- the Panthers will run circles around the Bobcats in perpetuity (or until Mike sells to someone capable).

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3 hours ago, TikTOK said:

 

I don’t know why people won’t give Mitch any respect when it comes to the Lakers. He won two championships after West left to Memphis. Mitch went and got Karl Malone and Gary Payton. That team went to the Finals and lost to an amazing Pistons team. After that the guy made trades for Gasol, Odom, Ariza and Artest. Decided to keep Andrew Bynum instead of trading him away. 

Because those were Jerry's teams...not Mitch's. 

All the other trades amounted to nada.  

Happy Thanksgiving...

 

PS...thoughts on Tepper?

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25 minutes ago, TikTOK said:

He won two championships after West left. Gasol, Odom, Bynum, Artest, Ariza, Fisher (2nd stint) are all Mitch’s guys. Happy Thanksgiving to you genius. Tepper is a complete idiot. Having success in hedge fund doesn’t mean it will make you a successful sport owner. Look at his record since being the owner of the Panthers. 

Those championships were won with Jerry's kids, no credit to Mitch  

Turning around the moribund Panthers franchise will take time...we're only in the top-of-the 1st in a day-night doubleheader.  

Tepper will prove you wrong.  

(only asked b/c I thought you were the other guy replying to out prior convo)

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after hearing boston and indiana were going to give him105-110 mill , I don't really care anymore. That's the tax you have to pay as a small market team. Part of me thinks Gordon wishes he had just signed with us in 2016. 

Man what could have been. We wouldn't have paid Batum

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