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Well, well, well. Zach Wilson is playing Coastal Carolina on Saturday 12/5 at 5:30 PM ESPNU.


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1 hour ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

No they're not one of the 4 best teams in the country. They struggled vs Indiana, and their secondary is ranked in the 100's FFS. They won't be able to, if they're legit 5-0 tops heading into this. Sorry, just wouldn't make sense. Their schedule is putrid, and they won't have enough data points for it to make sense vs another team. ACC is getting two in with Clemson and ND, so you're also wrong there. LOL. SEC is just getting in Bama. The last spot is up for grabs. 

This^^^^

OSU has not shown to be one of the top 4 teams in any way this year. Their schedule is weak, their defense is weak, and they just haven't impressed. Clemson will beat ND in the ACC championship, both teams will get in the playoff. Alabama will be on the playoff, and right now I would have Texas A&M as the 4th team. The Aggies beat Florida head to head, and their only loss was to Alabama early in the year.

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20 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

It was a quote from the CFP Chair earlier this week, that was looking the difference between Ohio State and A&M. He said A&M has played more games, and that is a huge talking point as of right now with the committee. The room is almost split on it. 60/40 at this time. At some point the games played have to matter, and that is going to be the case every Tuesday until the final rankings, unless Ohio State plays a few more. Which might happen with the new CDC guildelines, but we'll see. 

the quote was explaining why he viewed Ohio St as better.  I saw that one. 

End of the day,  CFP ain't leaving out Ohio St/Justin Fields because of COVID.   You can do it with Clemson to a degree.  CFP would put them in if there game gets cancelled Sat.  They wouldn't play in the ACC championship. 

Ohio ST and Clemson will be viewed as better than anyone not named Bama in the SEC when the doors are shut and they have to call it. 

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54 minutes ago, Varking said:

I believe, and could be wrong, the CFP has OSU in if they remain undefeated. The issue was would the Big10 play them in a championship game if they didn’t have the 6 qualifying games under their belt since the rule was you need 6 to be in the big game. The conference has said recently if OSU is undefeated they would adjust the rule to allow them to play for the conference championship to not block them from a chance to play for the national championship. 

There are two games left. OSU plays Mich St Saturday and then Michigan. OSU has already had two games cancelled and a third would make them ineligible for the B10 title game and I’m assuming the CFB. 
 

there is serious speculation that Michigan could pull out in a couple weeks due to “Covid concerns” — purely out of spite. Michigan gets their ass beat by OSU on a yearly basis so why not take the opportunity to royally fug their season over? 

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've also seen some speculation that Jim Harbaugh's time in Michigan might be over but I haven't followed college football closely enough this year to know how seriously to take it.

His seat is about as hot as one could get. He isn’t getting it done, and they get their ass beat by Ohio every year. I could see a “mutual” parting of ways at the end of the year. 
 

 

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19 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

There are two games left. OSU plays Mich St Saturday and then Michigan. OSU has already had two games cancelled and a third would make them ineligible for the B10 title game and I’m assuming the CFB. 
 

there is serious speculation that Michigan could pull out in a couple weeks due to “Covid concerns” — purely out of spite. Michigan gets their ass beat by OSU on a yearly basis so why not take the opportunity to royally fug their season over? 

The conference itself said if OSU is undefeated they would have to look at adjusting the rule of needing 6 games. They said discussions about that have been ongoing. It would not make them ineligible for the playoff either way. 
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cleveland.com/osu/2020/12/wisconsin-ad-barry-alvarez-says-big-ten-should-adjust-schedule-to-help-ohio-state-football-if-necessary.html%3foutputType=amp

 

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22 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

His seat is about as hot as one could get. He isn’t getting it done, and they get their ass beat by Ohio every year. I could see a “mutual” parting of ways at the end of the year. 

Gotcha.

The speculation this was tied to was whether the Lions might go after him. The downside there is that his name is mud in Michigan, but he is still a popular topic in the NFL so who knows?

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35 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

There are two games left. OSU plays Mich St Saturday and then Michigan. OSU has already had two games cancelled and a third would make them ineligible for the B10 title game and I’m assuming the CFB. 
 

there is serious speculation that Michigan could pull out in a couple weeks due to “Covid concerns” — purely out of spite. Michigan gets their ass beat by OSU on a yearly basis so why not take the opportunity to royally fug their season over? 

If Clemson’s game got canceled this weekend they would be ineligible for the ACC championship.  

CFP is putting in Ohio St and Clemson if COVID knocks them out. 

there aren’t 4 teams a room full of football minds would deem better no matter how the championship games fall.   Clemson and Ohio St would be favored vs every team not named Bama in the nation.  

The CFP is going to put up the 4 best teams and those the nation wants in the year of COVID.   College football needs that.   It ain’t gonna be Indiana and Cincinati or some bulllshit because of Covid 

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30 minutes ago, CRA said:

If Clemson’s game got canceled this weekend they would be ineligible for the ACC championship.  

CFP is putting in Ohio St and Clemson if COVID knocks them out. 

there aren’t 4 teams a room full of football minds would deem better no matter how the championship games fall.   Clemson and Ohio St would be favored vs every team not named Bama in the nation.  

The CFP is going to put up the 4 best teams and those the nation wants in the year of COVID.   College football needs that.   It ain’t gonna be Indiana and Cincinati or some bulllshit because of Covid 

Clemson is getting in regardless. ACC is making sure of that, again. You're just saying stuff. No way Ohio State is getting in with 4 games. That just doesn't make a bit of sense dude. 5 games would also be a no. LOL. Really? You're going to put in a 5 win Ohio State over a possible 12-0 Cincy, or a 9-2 other team? 

If you want the 4th best team, as Herbstreit said look at Oklahoma. Dominating their schedule the past 5 games. And one of only two teams with a top 20 defense, and a top 20 offense. While Ohio States defense is absolutely putrid. 

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32 minutes ago, CRA said:

If Clemson’s game got canceled this weekend they would be ineligible for the ACC championship.  

CFP is putting in Ohio St and Clemson if COVID knocks them out. 

there aren’t 4 teams a room full of football minds would deem better no matter how the championship games fall.   Clemson and Ohio St would be favored vs every team not named Bama in the nation.  

The CFP is going to put up the 4 best teams and those the nation wants in the year of COVID.   College football needs that.   It ain’t gonna be Indiana and Cincinati or some bulllshit because of Covid 

Sounds about right. NCAA making it up as they do along. Hopefully Clemson and OSU lose the rest of their games. 

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18 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

Clemson is getting in regardless. ACC is making sure of that, again. You're just saying stuff. No way Ohio State is getting in with 4 games. That just doesn't make a bit of sense dude. 5 games would also be a no. LOL. Really? You're going to put in a 5 win Ohio State over a possible 12-0 Cincy, or a 9-2 other team? 

If you want the 4th best team, as Herbstreit said look at Oklahoma. Dominating their schedule the past 5 games. And one of only two teams with a top 20 defense, and a top 20 offense. While Ohio States defense is absolutely putrid. 

ACC championship has requirements just like the big10.   Let’s say Miami wins the ACC because COVID makes Clemson ineligible.  

what is the purpose of the college football playoff?  To put in the 4 best teams in the nation.   A covid season is a covid season.  Everything is unique this year.  This year will be unique like everything else.  If logically the only thing preventing one of the clear best teams from making the playoffs is Covid....CFP isn’t kicking them out. 

is Cincinnati better than Ohio St? Is Indiana?  Miami better than Clemson? 

college football isn’t going to give a fug about fairness.  They never care.   They are going to put the best 4 teams they can rationalize.  You know how much money the NCAA has lost of late.    No March Madness.  Half ass football season. They want eyeballs at the end.  They want excitement.    They ain’t knocking Fields and Lawerence out because of COVID.   They are draws.  They are the two best players.   And they play on 2 of the best 4 teams.   They will get them in. (Pending they don’t take a L)

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4 minutes ago, CRA said:

ACC championship has requirements just like the big10.   Let’s say Miami wins the ACC because COVID makes Clemson ineligible.  

what is the purpose of the college football playoff?  To put in the 4 best teams in the nation.   A covid season is a covid season.  Everything is unique this year.  This year will be unique like everything else.  If logically the only thing preventing one is the clear best teams from making the playoffs is Covid....CFP isn’t kicking them out. 

is Cincinnati better than Ohio St? Is Indiana?  Miami better than Clemson? 

Cincinnati hasn’t lost a game since they got demolished by OSU last season. No, they aren’t better than OSU. Miami is not better than Clemson. 

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