Rhule: We Have to Get That Play in Quicker to Teddy.

[Peon Awesome]

It seems like plays are coming in late and we've had to call some unnecessary time outs early that can and have come back to bite us. Recall that we should have had more time outs when we got the ball back at the end of the Minnesota game but we had zero. Obviously Teddy made a terrible throw when DJ was open in the endzone. The late playcalling is a convenient excuse for that 1 play, but it is a real problem in general and one of the several things Brady needs to improve on. I think Teddy and apparently Rhule have been getting frustrated by it and the fact that it happened on the single most important offensive play of the game brought everything to a boil. Teddy's shortcomings are well documented but it is ok to criticize Brady, guys. 

[Basbear]

6 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Remember, he was really looking forward to coaching Cam and he thought Whitehead was playing well. There's numerous other examples that I'm not immediately recollecting of Rhule saying something positive followed by an action that clearly demonstrated that he was simply engaging in "coach speak".

I do not understand why he keeps doing this, hes being a clown. Just dont answer or say the players name. Or come up with a token statement " We're evaluating this and will do whats best for the team" 

[Pimpdaddy]

1 hour ago, TikTOK said:

Rhule is looking like a rookie head coach from college. He better adapt quickly and change his ways of managing before his ass ends up in college again. 

he got 6 mo years to grow according to Tep..

[TLGPanthersFan]

I have really cooled on Rhule. Not saying he can't improve, but he and his coaching staff have done some really stupid things this off season and season that have be raising red flags.

I am going to continue to worry that this coaching staff actually believes their malarkey and think Teddy is a franchise QB and Whitehead isn't terrible. Even though Carter starting the last two weeks makes me think they have realized that Whitehead sucks.

Now they just need to realize the same for Bathwater.  

[Proudiddy]

1 hour ago, Peon Awesome said:

It seems like plays are coming in late and we've had to call some unnecessary time outs early that can and have come back to bite us. Recall that we should have had more time outs when we got the ball back at the end of the Minnesota game but we had zero. Obviously Teddy made a terrible throw when DJ was open in the endzone. The late playcalling is a convenient excuse for that 1 play, but it is a real problem in general and one of the several things Brady needs to improve on. I think Teddy and apparently Rhule have been getting frustrated by it and the fact that it happened on the single most important offensive play of the game brought everything to a boil. Teddy's shortcomings are well documented but it is ok to criticize Brady, guys. 

Brady has his issues too, but the stuff thats going on...  Teddy can't have it both ways.  He scapegoated the coaches for the call coming in late, but I can't count the number of timeouts we've blown where we were up at the line with 10 to 15 secs where Teddy waited for the clock to run down to 3 before he tried to audible out of the play or call a timeout bc he didn't like what he saw after staring at it for those 10-15 secs.  In the same game, he's complaining about the play not coming in, he took points off the board in the 1st bc he looked at the defense on 2nd and long, waited until the clock was almost at zero, checked out to a run, barely got the play off and ended up losing yards or got nothing and then threw a horrible pass into the middle of the defense on 3rd and 14.  That whole sequence was on him.  But, conveniently he blames Brady for calling a play that led to a wide open DJ Moore that he simply missed and even caused him to get injured on.  Again, Brady has his faults, but Teddy literally even said in that presser about the play that he was trying to use the motion to read if they were in zone or man.  He is overthinking every play, and you don't always have enough time to use those tactics to read the entire defense, and even then, sometimes you still don't know what they're running.  

[Carl Spackler]

When we’re 2-10 next year at this time, the Rhule threads will be identical to the November 2019 Rivera threads. 

[TLGPanthersFan]

11 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Brady has his issues too, but the stuff thats going on...  Teddy can't have it both ways.  He scapegoated the coaches for the call coming in late, but I can't count the number of timeouts we've blown where we were up at the line with 10 to 15 secs where Teddy waited for the clock to run down to 3 before he tried to audible out of the play or call a timeout bc he didn't like what he saw after staring at it for those 10-15 secs.  In the same game, he's complaining about the play not coming in, he took points off the board in the 1st bc he looked at the defense on 2nd and long, waited until the clock was almost at zero, checked out to a run, barely got the play off and ended up losing yards or got nothing and then threw a horrible pass into the middle of the defense on 3rd and 14.  That whole sequence was on him.  But, conveniently he blames Brady for calling a play that led to a wide open DJ Moore that he simply missed and even caused him to get injured on.  Again, Brady has his faults, but Teddy literally even said in that presser about the play that he was trying to use the motion to read if they were in zone or man.  He is overthinking every play, and you don't always have enough time to use those tactics to read the entire defense, and even then, sometimes you still don't know what they're running.  

I think Teddy thinks he is smarter than he actually is or he is too much of a perfectionist.

[hepcat]

18 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

When we’re 2-10 next year at this time, the Rhule threads will be identical to the November 2019 Rivera threads. 

If the Panthers don’t move on from Bridgewater that could be very possible.

[Carl Spackler]

10 minutes ago, hepcat said:

If the Panthers don’t move on from Bridgewater that could be very possible.

I don’t think very highly of Rhule overall. I was in favor of dropping Ron because his message was no longer being heeded and guys quit playing for him unfortunately, but I wanted an upgrade at HC and I don’t think we upgraded. 

I like how Rhule motivates players and gets them to fight with most every team. There’s something to be said for that  

But I strongly dislike his penchant for signing and starting players solely because he coached them in college. I also hate how you can’t believe anything he says in a press conference. There’s coach-speak and then there’s just outright dishonesty. He’s done it enough times now to prove it’s beyond traditional coach-speak.  

As a tactician, I think he’s about like George Seifert. He and Brady run when we should pass and our fourth-quarter offense is all passing, whether we’re down 20 or ahead 6. I could definitely see a game where CMC runs for 130 yards in a half, we blow a 21-0 lead and throw the ball the whole second half in a 33-31 loss, a la Seifert.

As is the case no matter who’s our coach, I’ll support them and want us to win every week. 3/4 into Year 1 of “7”, I just don’t think he was the right pick, but he’s sure as hell better than McCarthy.

The honeymoon has not worn off with most of the fanbase yet, so I’ll let them enjoy our next four losses and yet another top-10 pick. 

[hepcat]

13 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

I don’t think very highly of Rhule overall. I was in favor of dropping Ron because his message was no longer being heeded and guys quit playing for him unfortunately, but I wanted an upgrade at HC and I don’t think we upgraded. 

I like how Rhule motivates players and gets them to fight with most every team. There’s something to be said for that  

But I strongly dislike his penchant for signing and starting players solely because he coached them in college. I also hate how you can’t believe anything he says in a press conference. There’s coach-speak and then there’s just outright dishonesty. He’s done it enough times now to prove it’s beyond traditional coach-speak.  

As a tactician, I think he’s about like George Seifert. He and Brady run when we should pass and our fourth-quarter offense is all passing, whether we’re down 20 or ahead 6. I could definitely see a game where CMC runs for 130 yards in a half, we blow a 21-0 lead and throw the ball the whole second half in a 33-31 loss, a la Seifert.

As is the case no matter who’s our coach, I’ll support them and want us to win every week. 3/4 into Year 1 of “7”, I just don’t think he was the right pick, but he’s sure as hell better than McCarthy.

The honeymoon has not worn off with most of the fanbase yet, so I’ll let them enjoy our next four losses and yet another top-10 pick. 

I’m obviously not ready to kick Rhule to the curb this early but I’m not that impressed either. The fact the team has been competitive is encouraging, but they can’t close and that is concerning. The play calling in crucial moments has been ass. Bridgewater is awful in the 2nd half of games, that’s just a fact. 

Almost all of the good to great head coaches have a winning season by season 2 or 3. If Rhule doesn’t have this team in the playoffs by 2022, he should be fired. I think next year will be a much better season if they draft a QB in the first round. If they don’t get a QB of the future I’m going to lose interest in this team fast.

[Proudiddy]

15 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

I don’t think very highly of Rhule overall. I was in favor of dropping Ron because his message was no longer being heeded and guys quit playing for him unfortunately, but I wanted an upgrade at HC and I don’t think we upgraded. 

I like how Rhule motivates players and gets them to fight with most every team. There’s something to be said for that  

But I strongly dislike his penchant for signing and starting players solely because he coached them in college. I also hate how you can’t believe anything he says in a press conference. There’s coach-speak and then there’s just outright dishonesty. He’s done it enough times now to prove it’s beyond traditional coach-speak.  

As a tactician, I think he’s about like George Seifert. He and Brady run when we should pass and our fourth-quarter offense is all passing, whether we’re down 20 or ahead 6. I could definitely see a game where CMC runs for 130 yards in a half, we blow a 21-0 lead and throw the ball the whole second half in a 33-31 loss, a la Seifert.

As is the case no matter who’s our coach, I’ll support them and want us to win every week. 3/4 into Year 1 of “7”, I just don’t think he was the right pick, but he’s sure as hell better than McCarthy.

The honeymoon has not worn off with most of the fanbase yet, so I’ll let them enjoy our next four losses and yet another top-10 pick. 

I agree with a lot of what you're saying.  Rhule was not the guy I wanted, but after we hired him, I obviously got behind it and hoped for the best.  I was encouraged by much of what I saw and heard from him early, but now the shiny newness of it all has worn off.  I've still seen enough to remain positive about the hire and hopeful for the future, but I've also seen a few things that cause me concern - mostly strategy-wise like you said.  For me the jury is still out though, but some of this stuff has been discouraging...  them dropping Cam and signing Teddy to give him the keys despite his body of work was gonna be a hole that was hard to climb out of in my book, and considering it's Teddg that's costed us the majority of our losses, that hole has only gotten deeper.  They need to show me they can cut their losses when they see they've made a mistake - which Ron was never able to do until it was too late.

[Peon Awesome]

1 hour ago, Proudiddy said:

Brady has his issues too, but the stuff thats going on...  Teddy can't have it both ways.  He scapegoated the coaches for the call coming in late, but I can't count the number of timeouts we've blown where we were up at the line with 10 to 15 secs where Teddy waited for the clock to run down to 3 before he tried to audible out of the play or call a timeout bc he didn't like what he saw after staring at it for those 10-15 secs.  In the same game, he's complaining about the play not coming in, he took points off the board in the 1st bc he looked at the defense on 2nd and long, waited until the clock was almost at zero, checked out to a run, barely got the play off and ended up losing yards or got nothing and then threw a horrible pass into the middle of the defense on 3rd and 14.  That whole sequence was on him.  But, conveniently he blames Brady for calling a play that led to a wide open DJ Moore that he simply missed and even caused him to get injured on.  Again, Brady has his faults, but Teddy literally even said in that presser about the play that he was trying to use the motion to read if they were in zone or man.  He is overthinking every play, and you don't always have enough time to use those tactics to read the entire defense, and even then, sometimes you still don't know what they're running.  

No doubt Bridgewater overthinks quite a bit. Some of that is on Brady too. As the offensive coordinator it's on you to reel that in if it's hurting your team. You can design a set of audible plays that have a higher rate of success, or place the playcall extra early and then call into Bridgewater a new playcall in before 15 seconds once you see how the defense is set, similar to what McVay likes to do. At the end of the day, the offensive coordinator has to take his share of blame for the offense's struggles. Bridgewater has rightly gotten a good chunk of the blame but too many people seem willing to give Brady a free pass. I really was hoping for more from him but I'm still hopeful he'll get there. He's young. 

[weyco2000]

8 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Remember, he was really looking forward to coaching Cam and he thought Whitehead was playing well. There's numerous other examples that I'm not immediately recollecting of Rhule saying something positive followed by an action that clearly demonstrated that he was simply engaging in "coach speak".

Guarantee if we would have kept Cam.... we’d be reading endless threads about OL help and how shitty the defense is. 

[onmyown]

8 hours ago, Ship said:

I think people are making too much of this. Both things can be right. We should have gotten the play in faster and Teddy should have hit DJ when he was open. Two failures occurred on the play.

Exactly. The play call was meant to be an audible/motion to set up a favorable running play. Which was a great call. Every analytic in the world says to run it and come away with points regardless. Fact is the play wasn’t sent it with enough time so as TB said the play was ‘panicked’. That’s an issue.

That in no way excuses the fact TB missed a play and even further excuses his shortcomings as a QB the entire season...as huddlers seem to think.

As you said multiple failures.