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Washington Football Team finalizing deal with Marty Hurney


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10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

CBs have never been more important than they are now with the game getting more and more pass happy and coverage skills being more highly sought after due to rule changes to benefit passing offense. The old style of defense that de-emphasized CBs by roughing up WRs if you couldn't hang with them just isn't an option anymore. The Ricky Manning Jr's of the world don't make it in the NFL these days.

especially when almost every team is running nickel formation as their base D, bc 3 WR sets are so common

hurney mixing and matching back there was never going to give us the depth we need to compete in today’s league

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7 minutes ago, Toomers said:

So basically, every good decision was Rhule, and every mistake was Hurney? Who kept KK? Acquired Okung? Gave Boston a deal? Who signed CMC? We’re all these on Hurney? Who drafted? 

What kind of response is this?

We're talking about the signing of Teddy Bridgewater.  Not once have I brought up any of that other stuff or made any mention of picking-and-choosing.  Nor did I respond to a post of yours mentioning any of that, only that you were suggesting Rhule is the main culprit of the TB signing. 

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2 hours ago, LelouchBritannia said:

Y’all gonna have a fit when they succeed. Say what you want about Hurney but the guy NEVER missed in the first round....can’t say that about our current GM. Not hitting with our high draft pick can set us back years. Only time will tell what our future looks like.

How can you not hit when you’re picking near the top every year. He had a handful of lower draft picks and if we analyze them I doubt they will look as good in retrospect. Yes he did have a few good picks over the years but his contracts were terrible. Free Agent signings were questionable. It’s sad we have yet to have had a decent GM in this organization that some are really Hurney apologists. 

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1 hour ago, *FreeFua* said:

The guy who was trying to save his job and believed they were a Teddy Bridgewater away from winning 

Too bad Tepper and Rhule didn’t see this and stop it. Marty really did kick the rebuild in the nads with a 2020 off-season of spending just to get us right back to 5-11. 

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15 minutes ago, Toomers said:

You are. Completely. What he did in college means nothing. And you want to believe that somehow Hurney convinced a coach with total control to make a horrible decision. Why would Rhule even consider a lame duck GM with a subpar resume, over anything he thought. Why does Brady actually coaching TB not even factor in? That’s the definition of picking and choosing. Just to somehow justify that the current staff didn’t have a hand in it. That’s why he was fired when TB flopped. To place blame on Hurney. Exactly what I said would happen back when he was kept on in January. 

I literally said it likely factored in to Hurney's reasoning for pounding the table for Bridgewater, and why Rhule was okay with it.  But yeah, I'm the one picking and choosing...

I don't know how much more clearer I can make it for you.  Nobody is freakin' saying Rhule didn't want Bridgewater.  We are saying Rhule wasn't the one who pounded the table the hardest for him, and if it was Rhule's sole decision, Bridgewater either wouldn't have been signed (because the team was comfortable with tanking) or he wouldn't have been signed to a long-term deal.  Again, there is a reason Hurney got fired when he did and why the team is already ready to move on from him.  

You keep acting like we're saying Hurney forced TB on Rhule and Rhule had no input and nobody is saying that.  I'm going to say it one more time.  Rhule was okay with Teddy.  Rhule and Hurney were likely cognizant that Bridgewater had worked with Brady.  But Hurney is the one who most wanted to pull the trigger, and (this I can say with almost certainty) Hurney was the one who chose to give Bridgewater the contract that he did.

I also find it hilarious that you keep trying to spin it as a "you are just trying to place blame on Hurney."  No, that isn't the case at all.  I've actually said in the past that I was okay with the Bridgewater contract because of how easy it is to get out of after 2021.  And relative to other starting QBs and their contracts, it's cheap.  Even now, I don't think it is that big of a deal.  This isn't about trying to place blame on anyway.  I am just telling you how it is.  So stop crying about people picking and choosing or just trying to place blame on Hurney.  That isn't what I'm doing.  I'm just looking at it from a POV of... Hurney benefited the most from Bridgewater working out.  Hurney wasn't fired until Bridgewater officially flamed out, despite the fact the rookies were playing well and the team was competing harder than they did otherwise.  Rhule immediately distanced himself from TB and all but made it obvious they were moving on. 

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Just now, Mage said:

What kind of response is this?

We're talking about the signing of Teddy Bridgewater.  Not once have I brought up any of that other stuff or made any mention of picking-and-choosing.  Nor did I respond to a post of yours mentioning any of that, only that you were suggesting Rhule is the main culprit of the TB signing. 

  I’m just trying to understand how Rhule can do all these other moves, but being the SOLE decision maker he can somehow be not “the main culprit” in this particular one. What happened? Did Marty hold his breath and force Rhule to sign him for that amount? What magical spell did Marty weave to make Rhule consent? On just this issue? 
 

   

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I mean, if it wasn't about Bridgewater, then why did Hurney get fired?  If the team was competing hard and the rookies were playing well, then tell me what reason Tepper had to fire Hurney.

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1 hour ago, *FreeFua* said:

At 4:19 you can see the Panthers fans on TV celebrating the Greg Little pick while the Bills front office is essentially celebrating our stupidity 

And fast forward two years later and Little and Ford are both essentially busts.  But damn if we didn't look stupid cause that one Bills dude high fived a few other dudes lol.

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3 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  I’m just trying to understand how Rhule can do all these other moves, but being the SOLE decision maker he can somehow be not “the main culprit” in this particular one. What happened? Did Marty hold his breath and force Rhule to sign him for that amount? What magical spell did Marty weave to make Rhule consent? On just this issue? 

But this isn't the conversation we are having.  We are strictly talking about the decision and signing of Teddy Bridgewater.  I have at no point in our discussion made any reference or comment to other decisions we made and who was at fault. 

Which is why there is no point in me responding to it.  You are trying to put words in my mouth and I'm not going to bite.  Case in point:

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Did Marty hold his breath and force Rhule to sign him for that amount?

How many more times do I need to say that I don't think Marty Hurney forced Teddy Bridgewater on Matt Rhule?  

If this is what you are going to do then we can just agree to disagree.  

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17 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Too bad Tepper and Rhule didn’t see this and stop it. Marty really did kick the rebuild in the nads with a 2020 off-season of spending just to get us right back to 5-11. 

We were hearing reports even before the season that Marty believed we could win now as opposed to embracing the rebuild.

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1 minute ago, Mage said:

I literally said it likely factored in to Hurney's reasoning for pounding the table for Bridgewater, and why Rhule was okay with it.  But yeah, I'm the one picking and choosing...

I don't know how much more clearer I can make it for you.  Nobody is freakin' saying Rhule didn't want Bridgewater.  We are saying Rhule wasn't the one who pounded the table the hardest for him, and if it was Rhule's sole decision, Bridgewater either wouldn't have been signed (because the team was comfortable with tanking) or he wouldn't have been signed to a long-term deal.  Again, there is a reason Hurney got fired when he did and why the team is already ready to move on from him.  

You keep acting like we're saying Hurney forced TB on Rhule and Rhule had no input and nobody is saying that.  I'm going to say it one more time.  Rhule was okay with Teddy.  Rhule and Hurney were likely cognizant that Bridgewater had worked with Brady.  But Hurney is the one who most wanted to pull the trigger, and (this I can say with almost certainty) Hurney was the one who chose to give Bridgewater the contract that he did.

I also find it hilarious that you keep trying to spin it as a "you are just trying to place blame on Hurney."  No, that isn't the case at all.  I've actually said in the past that I was okay with the Bridgewater contract because of how easy it is to get out of after 2021.  And relative to other starting QBs and their contracts, it's cheap.  Even now, I don't think it is that big of a deal.  This isn't about trying to place blame on anyway.  I am just telling you how it is.  So stop crying about people picking and choosing or just trying to place blame on Hurney.  That isn't what I'm doing.  I'm just looking at it from a POV of... Hurney benefited the most from Bridgewater working out.  Hurney wasn't fired until Bridgewater officially flamed out, despite the fact the rookies were playing well and the team was competing harder than they did otherwise.  Rhule immediately distanced himself from TB and all but made it obvious they were moving on. 

   Yep. There’s no way to chip through at this level of delusion. That fictional scenario is ridiculous. And you believing that contract isn’t a big deal is absolutely proof you don’t understand the mistake that was made, much less who was responsible. You roll with your sources. What’s my motivation here? It’s well-known I think Hurney is awful. But I predicted this exact scenario before any roster decisions were made. I did wait and toss an remark in a thread only hours after he was fired. Yet somehow, not one mention anywhere before? You’re seeing what you want. I’m seeing what I predicted unfold. 

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