Albert Breer also has us taking Fields, believes Tepper is pushing for it.

[jayboogieman]

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

Sam means you can bring the rookie in when ready....not out of desperation.   Like was the case with Sam Darnold as rookie.   And if Sam surprises and shines? So be it.   That wouldn't be a bad thing.  

How does Darnold mean you can bring the rookie in slowly or when ready? If Darnold sucks, like most people here seem to think, the desperation to play the rookie as soon as possible will be high.

I agree that if Darnold plays well, it'll be a good thing.

[jayboogieman]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

They're not dumb.

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

How does Darnold mean you can bring the rookie in slowly or when ready? If Darnold sucks, like most people here seem to think, the desperation to play the rookie as soon as possible will be high.

I agree that if Darnold plays well, it'll be a good thing.

Darnold is a bust given his expectations.  But Darnold isn't Jimmy Clausen.  Again, the last time the Jets attempted to actually win.....he won more games with a bad Jets roster than we won last year.  

We aren't in win now mode.  If we drafted a rookie/future franchise QB.....you could send Darnold out there to compete while we groomed the rookie.   I don't think the odds are high Sam will be worse in Carolina than NY.   

[run-run-pass-punt]

13 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Last year all I heard was how much better Brady's system was going to make Teddy. They know what they're getting and they know Teddy can run this system. They're not dumb.

One circumstance is not necessarily the other. I'm only saying I don't know who Darnold will be in 2021. The unfolding is always a mysterious unknown.

[ForJimmy]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You remember what time of year this is, right?

“Smokescreens aren’t as common as people think” 

You have literally taken quotes from the same conference stating they are confident in him. A quote comes up that doesn’t fit your narrative.... must be bluffing for draft season. Sorry but you can’t have it both ways. 

[jayboogieman]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

If Darnold is a bust given his expectations.  But Darnold isn't Jimmy Clausen.  Again, the last time the Jets attempted to actually win.....he won more games with a bad Jets roster than we won last year.  

We aren't in win now mode.  If we drafted a rookie/future franchise QB.....you could send Darnold out there to compete while we groomed the rookie.   I don't think the odds are high Sam will be worse in Carolina than NY. 

If he was good enough to win more games with a bad Jets team, putting a better team around him should mean they don't need to draft a rookie QB highly this year since he should be a lot better with a better team and coaching.

[jayboogieman]

3 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

“Smokescreens aren’t as common as people think” 

You have literally taken quotes from the same conference stating they are confident in him. A quote comes up that doesn’t fit your narrative.... must be bluffing for draft season. Sorry but you can’t have it both ways. 

Edited April 28, 2021 by jayboogieman
Just teasing!

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, run-run-pass-punt said:

One circumstance is not necessarily the other. I'm only saying I don't know who Darnold will be in 2021. The unfolding is always a mysterious unknown.

If you asked a man in a mangled car wrapped around a tree why he was driving so recklessly I imagine his response would be something along the lines of, " Well, I didn't know it was gonna end up like this." Even though all who were watching saw it coming a mile away.

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

If he was good enough to win more games with a bad Jets team, putting a better team around him should mean they don't need to draft a rookie QB highly this year since he should be a lot better with a better team and coaching.

but if Sam is just the guy that won 7 games in NY.....that still isn't good enough.    And there are high odds he is just a version of that guy.   A good all around athlete that will never be a very good NFL QB.   There is no reason to turn kicking the tires on Sam into being all in on Sam.     

The chance to draft a Justin Fields type talent doesn't occur that often.  You normally have to be really really bad or give up a ton a capital.    No reason not to add that QB talent on a team that doesn't have a legit QB presently if he is there. 

 

[ForJimmy]

6 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

You just earned a VIP ticket to the Fields bus! (And yes I’m driving)

[jayboogieman]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

but if Sam is just the guy that won 7 games in NY.....that still isn't good enough.    And there are high odds he is just a version of that guy.   A good all around athlete that will never be a very good NFL QB.   There is no reason to turn kicking the tires on Sam into being all in on Sam.     

The chance to draft a Justin Fields type talent doesn't occur that often.  You normally have to be really really bad or give up a ton a capital.    No reason not to add that QB talent on a team that doesn't have a legit QB. 

 

No reason not to give Sam the best chance to succeed by drafting an elite tackle prospect to protect him, if there, or an elite WR or TE, if there either. Kicking the tires on Sam this year doesn't mean they can't draft a QB next year if he sucks. Look at the Bucs, Chiefs, and other contending teams. They built the teams before getting the QB. The Panthers can do the same.

[jayboogieman]

4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

You just earned a VIP ticket to the Fields bus! (And yes I’m driving)

You won the Tunderdome? Did you lose an eye? If so, did you get an eyepatch and turn the bus into a pirate bus?

[run-run-pass-punt]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If you asked a man in a mangled car wrapped around a tree why he was driving so recklessly I imagine his response would be something along the lines of, " Well, I didn't know it was gonna end up like this." Even though all who were watching saw it coming a mile away.

Well, I never tell anyone else what they (do or do not) know. If you know, you know. I don't know. So I'll wait and be surprised.

[CRA]

10 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

No reason not to give Sam the best chance to succeed by drafting an elite tackle prospect to protect him, if there, or an elite WR or TE, if there either. Kicking the tires on Sam this year doesn't mean they can't draft a QB next year if he sucks. Look at the Bucs, Chiefs, and other contending teams. They built the teams before getting the QB. The Panthers can do the same.

Do the Panthers have a legit starting QB on their roster they believe can help them achieve their goals?  It's that simple.  

If the answer is no, then you have to be willing to acquire high end QB talent when the opportunity presents itself. 

If Sam is Sam....we likely aren't in the position to draft a Justin Fields caliber player the next season.   Because Sam isn't Clausen.    

If a QB doesn't fall? One you like.  Well, you draft BPA.  Get the OT.  Get the TE/WR.  Get Surtain.  Whatever.  Nothing you can do about that.