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Sam Darnold's "Style of Ball"

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21 minutes ago, glenwo2 said:

 

So what are you implying?

That a Panthers fan's point of view on a Messageboard is correct(and True) and EVERYONE ELSE actually closely involved with the Team is wrong and false?

Come on, CRA.... That is a ridiculous take and you know it.  smh.

 

Just what I said, reports aren't the gospel.   Lot of times teams want certain things out there.  They will put it out there.   Pretty common in sports.  People use the media.  Teams.  Players.  

 

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Darnold was definitely not our first or second choice. Fitts being in on every deal is why we were talking to the Jets early. (Which we thought a second was too much for him originally) I’m sure he has spoke with half of the teams about potential trade targets. I’m feeling a little optimistic about Darnold, but I’m not delusional in thinking we wanted him first the whole time. 

Not quite correct. They didn't discuss terms in the initial contact because the Jets wanted to wait. Had they not, the deal might have happened then.

Breer did confirm elsewhere that once the Jets started talking, they suggested a swap of first round picks. The Panthers did balk at that suggestion because at that point, they didn't want to give up the 8th pick.

There were other discussions, and other options, but the Panthers ultimately decided Darnold was their best option.

So not first, but not last. "Second tier" might be the most accurate description.

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I just didn't take it for the gospel you did. There was waaaaaay too much talk about a pending Watson trade for there to be no smoke. You just cling desperately to sources that confirm your take. Those are "reports". Everything else is "rumors". That's called "confirmation bias". We all have it, you're just completely blind to yours.

Just like there was "way too much talk" about Justin Fields?

There was a whole bunch of rumor that turned out to be nothing, but cling to that if it makes you feel better.

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Just what I said, reports aren't the gospel.   Lot of times teams want certain things out there.  They will put it out there.   Pretty common in sports.  People use the media.  Teams.  Players.  

 

Neither are fans' opinions on a messageboard.    🤨

But actual team reports are more legit than just opinions so that's why they are taken more seriously than anything posted here.

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16 minutes ago, glenwo2 said:

People that do this are pretty arrogant, that's for sure.

 

That's a fair point.  Even myself who is strongly rooting for Sam to succeed knows that he was Plan C (after Stafford, and Watson).    No big deal.  

 

So what are you implying?

That a Panthers fan's point of view on a Messageboard is correct(and True) and EVERYONE ELSE actually closely involved with the Team is wrong and false?

Come on, CRA.... That is a ridiculous take and you know it.  smh.

 

So I read the article.  Great post by the way.  The Stafford trade went down in January.  We contacted the jets in February. 

It looks like Stafford was the first pitch, but obviously we were way too low... since they got Goff, a third rounder and two first round picks.

When I heard about our offer, I thought there is no way the Lions were going to take that.   Are you saying we knew it would be too low, we were headfaking the jets to say...hey there's plenty of fish in the sea if you don't want to dance?  There may be an element of that....but it sounds a bit of stretch.  I'm not sure why we took the time to lowball Stafford.  But Teddy and a first (even at 8th) just didn't sound like enough me.  

 

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5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Just like there was "way too much talk" about Justin Fields?

There was a whole bunch of rumor that turned out to be nothing, but cling to that if it makes you feel better.

The reports said the room was divided. There were people in the organization who wanted Fields. Some felt he was a generational talent. The pro-Darnold faction won out.

But, everything is always black and white with you. "Black" being your take and "white" being literally anything to the contrary.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not quite correct. They didn't discuss terms in the initial contact because the Jets wanted to wait. Had they not, the deal might have happened then.

Breer did confirm elsewhere that once the Jets started talking, they suggested a swap of first round picks. The Panthers did balk at that suggestion because at that point, they didn't want to give up the 8th pick.

There were other discussions, and other options, but the Panthers ultimately decided Darnold was their best option.

So not first, but not last. "Second tier" might be the most accurate description.

How can you possibly know it wasn’t the last? We didn’t offer anyone else afterwards so it technically was last, but no one else good was really available...  Your guy Albert Breer who we are suppose to 100% believe in this story was helping push the we might draft a QB story as well. I doubt any of us will know the whole story. I’m not taking one side other than he clearly wasn’t our first. But we should we sit here and believe one journalist and write off another sometimes same journalist article?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2021/04/12/carolina-panthers-sam-darnold-quarterback-nfl-draft

 

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15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Just like there was "way too much talk" about Justin Fields?

There was a whole bunch of rumor that turned out to be nothing, but cling to that if it makes you feel better.

go to the Panther confidential thread and tell me what the last name on the board looks like.  I mean, if you had to guess.   

 

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So I read the article.  Great post by the way.  The Stafford trade went down in January.  We contacted the jets in February. 

It looks like Stafford was the first pitch, but obviously we were way too low... since they got Goff, a third rounder and two first round picks.

When I heard about our offer, I thought there is no way the Lions were going to take that.   Are you saying we knew it would be too low, we were headfaking the jets to say...hey there's plenty of fish in the sea if you don't want to dance?  There may be an element of that....but it sounds a bit of stretch.  I'm not sure why we took the time to lowball Stafford.  But Teddy and a first (even at 8th) just didn't sound like enough me.  

 

I don't see it as a low-ball, it's just what we were willing to offer. We were probably hoping the Niners would low-ball. Honestly, we were always a long shot to land Stafford. To their credit, the Lions actually wanted to do right by him after botching it with Barry Sanders and Megatron. Objectively, the Niners are just a much better situation than we are.

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5 minutes ago, CRA said:

go the Panther confidential thread and tell me what the last name on the board looks like.  I mean, if you had to guess.   

 

That doesn't fit the narrative. Therefore, it's a rumor. Didn't you read the "report"? Delusional.

Did you know that Sam Darnold is "basically a rookie"? I mean, that's the "report".

 

 

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