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How much of the Jets performance was really on Darnold?

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20 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

What is more likely:

1)Darnold with a better oline, wrs, running back, OC and HC plays much better than Bridgewater....along with JC Horn improving our secondary substantially.

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2)The 4th QB chosen in the draft from Ohio State goes to the BEARS and balls out.

If I had to pick, I say 1 is more likely.

 

 

Honestly, the most likely scenario is neither.

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13 minutes ago, bythenbrs said:

True, but Jake 1.0 was sufficient to get us to the Big Dance.  If Darnold can become Jake 2.0, it will be hard to argue that the trade for him was a bust.  Consistent playoff appearances should be a reasonable metric for success.  YMMV.

If he can max out his potential, sure. No question it is a good trade.

Consistent winning should be the metric for success. It is something no Panthers team has ever achieved.

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42 minutes ago, bythenbrs said:

True, but Jake 1.0 was sufficient to get us to the Big Dance.  If Darnold can become Jake 2.0, it will be hard to argue that the trade for him was a bust.  Consistent playoff appearances should be a reasonable metric for success.  YMMV.

I agree.    After another year of gelling and Brady retires, we'll be looking at clearer path.   8+ wins this year and beating one winning team, would show us we're on the right path.

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24 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

My gut reaction is that you're right but...

Do you think the most likely scenerio is Bridgewater > Darnold?

 

I don't think that is an easy answer and it depends on what you want as a fan and team.

I think Teddy is far more likely to be a steady player, albeit unspectacular. I think Darnold is much more likely to have terrible games and much more likely to have great games. So, if you have a team that can win games without a QB(like the SB champion Broncos or Ravens), Teddy is probably your guy. If you have a team built like ours, Darnold is more likely to have some more success because we have the horses to really put points up for the few times Darnold is just on fire. 

If I was going to say who would perform better in 2021? Statistically Darnold should be better because he has no actual competition to face. Teddy will be in a race with Lock. If I had to bet, Teddy will have w better QBR and QB rating than Darnold but Sam should be better in almost every other stat(other than completion percentage and TD:INT ratio).

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1 hour ago, SBBlue said:

What is more likely:

1)Darnold with a better oline, wrs, running back, OC and HC plays much better than Bridgewater....along with JC Horn improving our secondary substantially.

or

2)The 4th QB chosen in the draft from Ohio State goes to the BEARS and balls out.

If I had to pick, I say 1 is more likely.

 

 

2 is basically what happened with Deshaun Watson

Tannehill was flat out better than Darnold was in NY, to go from the worst starter in the league to above average has rarely EVER happened in NFL history

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1 minute ago, Moo Daeng said:

Desean Watson is fantastic but still has lower winning percentage than Jake Delhomme. The team matters.

Had Jake played for those same Houston teams, his winning percentage would have been abysmal too. Even the best QB can only elevate a franchise so far.

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1 minute ago, glenwo2 said:

So it's likely Sam does not play better than Bridgewater with the team he's now on...

Is that the prevailing opinion here?

Better in what regard? I don't doubt he will struggle to eclipse some of Teddy's statistics because he is a completely different type of QB. I would be shocked and appalled if he doesn't outperform other statistics that Teddy put up in 2020.

If we get down to the nitty gritty, it should come down to winning actual games. IMO, he should perform better than Teddy because Teddy mustered only 4 victories as a starter here. Even with the extremely low opinion of Darnold that I have, this team should win more than that even if it is literally in spite of him. 

 

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4 minutes ago, glenwo2 said:

So it's likely Sam does not play better than Bridgewater with the team he's now on...

Is that the prevailing opinion here?

 

(I disagree, of course, but I digress)

 

I do believe this subject will not go away any time soon. There will be folks harping on any bad throw, from day 1. There will be folks preaching for patience. And you have folks who believe there is a chance he improves, given the circumstances he finds himself in at this time.

 

It all gets meshed together for a Huddle stew. Add some salt and enjoy.

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2 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

I do believe this subject will not go away any time soon. There will be folks harping on any bad throw, from day 1. There will be folks preaching for patience. And you have folks who believe there is a chance he improves, given the circumstances he finds himself in at this time.

 

It all gets meshed together for a Huddle stew. Add some salt and enjoy.

You forgot to add :  There will be folks who would harp on him negatively no matter what he does, due to stupid reasons like PJ-worship or wanting Fields or just plain disdain.

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Just now, glenwo2 said:

You forgot to add :  There will be folks who would harp on him negatively no matter what he does, due to stupid reasons like PJ-worship or wanting Fields or just plain disdain.

 

I try not to engage those types. They get nasty when you won't bow down to there view.

 

Out of sight, out of mind for those types.

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