Darnold and the RPO

[DaveThePanther2008]

Darnold has show the ability that he can run the ball.  We've all see the highlights of him running the ball, mostly scrambling.  I wonder how he would do in a planned run. 

Do you think Brady might install a couple RPO plays for Darnold?  I know it isn't too wise being the state of our backup QB spot but having that as an option just makes this offense even more potent.   I'm not implying Cam-esk runs but one or two per game would keep defenses honest.

It's a conversation piece, I am not fully endorsing it,  I just would be interested in everyone's opinion. 

[Jorgie]

Probably

[ThPantherFan]

1 hour ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I'm not implying Cam-esk runs

All QB's should have a designed run play.  Yes, it keeps the defense on their toes.

[DaveThePanther2008]

39 minutes ago, ThPantherFan said:

All QB's should have a designed run play.  Yes, it keeps the defense on their toes.

I wouldn't say all. Big Ben, Rodgers and Brady just to name a few.  Darnold is young and is maneuverable with decent speed.    You call it at the right time it could be a game changer. 

[Moo Daeng]

RPO in the NFL these days  generally refers to the QB deciding to hand the ball off to the RB or pass. 

 

 

Edited August 10, 2021 by Moo Daeng

[top dawg]

I think we'll do it some based on what Brady did for Joe Burrow at LSU.

https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-how-joe-burrow-and-the-lsu-offense-went-from-unknown-to-unstoppable

But, I don't think we'll go crazy with it, as it's less likely to work in the NFL due to the quality and speed of the players. I'd much prefer that they just let Darnold's mobility happen by impressing upon him the need to make good decisions. They need to keep him in the pocket, let him analyze the play, and then make the appropriate read from there, as he has enough options (including his legs) to move the chains. 

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/2/28/17056432/sam-darnold-nfl-draft-usc-quarterback-offense

But, yeah, a couple of RPOs per game might not hurt anything. It's just another wrinkle to vex the opposition, but let Sam master the nuances of being an adept pocket passer.

[Moo Daeng]

19 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I think we'll do it some based on what Brady did for Joe Burrow at LSU.

https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-how-joe-burrow-and-the-lsu-offense-went-from-unknown-to-unstoppable

But, I don't think we'll go crazy with it, as it's less likely to work in the NFL due to the quality and speed of the players. I'd much prefer that they just let Darnold's mobility happen by impressing upon him the need to make good decisions. They need to keep him in the pocket, let him analyze the play, and then make the appropriate read from there, as he has enough options (including his legs) to move the chains. 

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/2/28/17056432/sam-darnold-nfl-draft-usc-quarterback-offense

But, yeah, a couple of RPOs per game might not hurt anything. It's just another wrinkle to vex the opposition, but let Sam master the nuances of being an adept pocket passer.

RPOs have been effective in the NFL for a while now. 

I suggest understanding what it is to discuss it. Nobody seems to know what it means 

[BrianS]

I think people confuse the read option with the RPO.

Read option is what Shula ran here with Cam.  Some read options have a throwing component, yes, but mostly the read option is what Cam did when deciding to keep the ball or let Stewart have it.

RPO is when the QB reads the defense and decides if the play is a run or pass based on what he sees.

I don't think Darnold is a good candidate for read option.  Yes, he's decently athletic and mobile, but do you really want to expose our only real QB to any potential hit he doesn't have to take?  With this line?

I prefer Darnold focus on becoming more like Aaron Rodgers than Cam Newton.

[Moo Daeng]

22 minutes ago, BrianS said:

I think people confuse the read option with the RPO.

Read option is what Shula ran here with Cam.  Some read options have a throwing component, yes, but mostly the read option is what Cam did when deciding to keep the ball or let Stewart have it.

RPO is when the QB reads the defense and decides if the play is a run or pass based on what he sees.

I don't think Darnold is a good candidate for read option.  Yes, he's decently athletic and mobile, but do you really want to expose our only real QB to any potential hit he doesn't have to take?  With this line?

I prefer Darnold focus on becoming more like Aaron Rodgers than Cam Newton.

Hopefully with more rpo success tyan Rogers.

"Aaron Rodgers has the most pass attempts on run-pass options (RPOs) in the league this season. He already has more RPO pass attempts through 11 games (34) than he did through 16 games in 2018 (24). But there’s a slight problem; Green Bay’s RPOs haven’t been particularly effective."

 

This link  reiterates what the RPO is vs what many here mistakenly think it is.

 

"The general idea behind the RPO is with a run and pass option built into the same play, the quarterback can use either a pre- or post-snap read to hand the ball off or throw. With the play based on what the defense is giving,"

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/the-green-bay-packers-need-to-improve-their-rpos/

 

[top dawg]

37 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

RPOs have been effective in the NFL for a while now. 

I suggest understanding what it is to discuss it. Nobody seems to know what it means 

I'm assuming that the OP is referring to pre-snap RPOs.

[joemac]

5 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Darnold has show the ability that he can run the ball.  We've all see the highlights of him running the ball, mostly scrambling.  I wonder how he would do in a planned run. 

Do you think Brady might install a couple RPO plays for Darnold?  I know it isn't too wise being the state of our backup QB spot but having that as an option just makes this offense even more potent.   I'm not implying Cam-esk runs but one or two per game would keep defenses honest.

It's a conversation piece, I am not fully endorsing it,  I just would be interested in everyone's opinion. 

You mean a Read-Option type play?  I think RPO is the decision at the mesh point to hand it off or pull it back and hit a quick slant/post. 

[CPsinceDay1]

33 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

Hopefully with more rpo success tyan Rogers.

"Aaron Rodgers has the most pass attempts on run-pass options (RPOs) in the league this season. He already has more RPO pass attempts through 11 games (34) than he did through 16 games in 2018 (24). But there’s a slight problem; Green Bay’s RPOs haven’t been particularly effective."

 

This link  reiterates what the RPO is vs what many here mistakenly think it is.

 

"The general idea behind the RPO is with a run and pass option built into the same play, the quarterback can use either a pre- or post-snap read to hand the ball off or throw. With the play based on what the defense is giving,"

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/the-green-bay-packers-need-to-improve-their-rpos/

 

Exactly why Darnold shouldn't be running any rpo's.

Even Rodgers hasn't quite master that skill yet. And people sleep on Rodgers mobility like Brees.

Darnold's no threat running, the reason why he may have a couple highlights here and there because no one really respects him as a runner.

Sidenote: Trying to change Darnold game is like trying to make Cam a pocket passer. Darnold's actually very good moving within the pocket.

Edited August 10, 2021 by CPsinceDay1

[Moo Daeng]

7 minutes ago, CPsinceDay1 said:

Exactly why Darnold shouldn't be running any rpo's.

Even Rodgers hasn't quite master that skill yet. And people sleep on Rodgers mobility like Brees.

Darnold's no threat running, the reason why he may have a couple highlights here and there because no one really respects him as a runner.

Of course he should. Everyone uses them.

Y'all really should read the articles.

Edited August 10, 2021 by Moo Daeng

[CPsinceDay1]

2 hours ago, top dawg said:

 

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/2/28/17056432/sam-darnold-nfl-draft-usc-quarterback-offense

But, yeah, a couple of RPOs per game might not hurt anything. It's just another wrinkle to vex the opposition, but let Sam master the nuances of being an adept pocket passer.

 

33 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

Of course he should. Everyone uses them.

Y'all really should read the articles.

Darnold’s DISASTROUS PICK 6 against Ohio State, which more or less sealed the game with 44 minutes to go, came on such an RPO, as he threw a hitch that a late-spinning safety easily housed.