Are Panthers a very self-less defense?

[KB_fan]

I'm seeing some stats today that confound me a little bit.

On one hand, the Panthers lead the league in sacks, QB hits, Pass-Rush Win Rate, fewest passing yards allowed....

 

 

Yet, in the individual pass-rush win stats for edge rushers and DTs, only Haason Reddick's name shows up among top players.

 

 

 

I was a bit surprised!

I'm guessing it's a combination of two things:

1) it may be simply a function of the technical definition of pass-rush win rate.  Our defense is succeeding in pass rush and disrupting QBs without meeting the technical definition of a pass-rush win.

2) Our defense is playing nearly seamlessly as a unit - very much pick your poison - with MANY players having a role in pass rush success.  Very selfless.  Doesn't depend on one star player.  Which makes it that much harder to scheme against.  When we can get pressure from so many different players from so many different looks, it makes it very tough for opposing offenses.   I love it.  I really hope we can keep it up!!

In general, while we know the guys are competitive and love their stats (e.g. the golf-cart sack competition between Burns & Reddick), so many guys aren't getting a ton of flashy stats (Jermaine Carter, DaQuan, Brown, Shaq, Donte, Luvu) and yet what they are doing is absolutely critical to the defense's success.  I don't know when I've seen a defense play AS A TEAM this consistently in a long time.  (Maybe I'm just noticing it more because our secondary is so improved and it's really evident how the excellent coverage is feeding the pass rush and vice-versa.)

Whatever is going on, I'm loving it!!!

[Jon Snow]

It's the team mentality.  Think of it like pack of hyenas. One alone may be dangerous but when you get a group of them together they can take down a lion and kill it.  

[Pejorative Miscreant]

It might be in part attributed to the way Snow schemes.  Exploit the confusion on offense and feast.  

[yasuhara2241]

@KB_fanYes it is selfless. It's a very odd defensive group that we have. They are so young but yet seem to all be playing for each other. Yes we have our stars, but they are just as happy when Morgan Fox or Brown or YGM make plays. I responded to you a lot on twitter but Chinn is my best example. Stats don't blow you away but he is essential for our #1 defense

[KB_fan]

1 minute ago, yasuhara2241 said:

@KB_fanYes it is selfless. It's a very odd defensive group that we have. They are so young but yet seem to all be playing for each other. Yes we have our stars, but they are just as happy when Morgan Fox or Brown or YGM make plays. I responded to you a lot on twitter but Chinn is my best example. Stats don't blow you away but he is essential for our #1 defense

Absolutely.  When you think of the hype Chinn got last year because of how he flashed, but this year in his new position he's a bit "invisible" on the stat sheet, but playing GREAT and absolutely ESSENTIAL to the D's success.

I LOVE this kind of team. 

[Fox007]

In one of the breakdowns, i think by Kurt Warner he showed exactly this...selfless where one of the linebackers takes out the OL on a twist and then the other LB comes in untouched as the LB moved the OL out of the way with his pass rush.

[MasterAwesome]

30 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

I'm seeing some stats today that confound me a little bit.

On one hand, the Panthers lead the league in sacks, QB hits, Pass-Rush Win Rate, fewest passing yards allowed....

 

 

Yet, in the individual pass-rush win stats for edge rushers and DTs, only Haason Reddick's name shows up among top players.

 

 

 

I was a bit surprised!

I'm guessing it's a combination of two things:

1) it may be simply a function of the technical definition of pass-rush win rate.  Our defense is succeeding in pass rush and disrupting QBs without meeting the technical definition of a pass-rush win.

I think there's definitely some truth to this.  How many sacks have we gotten where someone comes through completely unblocked?  Hell, for how good Brian Burns is, I'm fairly sure all 3 of his sacks were unblocked.  As someone else mentioned, props to Snow's scheme in confusing the opposing offense.

[BrianS]

At their current rate, Burns finishes the season with 17 sacks, Reddick finishes the season with 23.5.

The NFL hires a therapist for the QB's on our schedule.  Except for Matt Ryan, who retires mid-game week 8.

[KB_fan]

31 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It's the team mentality.  Think of it like pack of hyenas. One alone may be dangerous but when you get a group of them together they can take down a lion and kill it.  

Hmmmm. Could that be a name for this defense.  I know there are Snow Wolves...

Howabout the "Snow Hyenas"? Or, giving up the fun Snow meme, simply the "Hyena Pack"

[mbarbour21]

Kurt Warner broke it down really well on his YouTube channel. He showed a play where Shaq ran in and pushed the center to his right and then someone else came in around him. They are creating opportunities for one another to come thru without resistance. Shaq’s whole purpose on that play was to free up his teammate. That’s why you hear them talk about their teammates being unselfish.

[Rags]

"Takk McKinley-32%"

lol falcons

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, KB_fan said:

Hmmmm. Could that be a name for this defense.  I know there are Snow Wolves...

Howabout the "Snow Hyenas"? Or, giving up the fun Snow meme, simply the "Hyena Pack"

I'm not getting into that debate lol.  All I know is that the only thing that can kill a lion, besides another lion of course, is a pack of hyenas.  

Edited September 28, 2021 by Jon Snow

[Matt Ryan is #1]

29 minutes ago, Rags said:

"Takk McKinley-32%"

lol falcons

huh?  I don't get it

[Rags]

9 minutes ago, Matt Ryan is #1 said:

huh?  I don't get it

first round pick from a few years back went elsewhere and is now has one of the best pass rush win%