Charlotte city counsel rezones pipe and foundry site.

[Panthera onca]

1 hour ago, SizzleBuzz said:

CP&F land site is only 55 acres.

Was reading up on the Glendale complex, looks like a fun place but they have had serious parking issues since the beginning because the city welched on a promise to provide 11,000 spots...

...11,000 parking spots would eat 45 acres alone.

Parking was no problem when I was there for the Panthers game. Plenty of extra spots at the Westgate complex. All of the local churches and businesses were selling parking spots as well. I think you have to figure the Pipe and Foundry site plus the current site of BOA stadium will probably be scraped and used as part of the complex, plus whatever else Tepper buys up along Morehead street and nearby.

[SizzleBuzz]

50 minutes ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

On 12/21/2021 at 1:03 AM, 4Corners said:

I’m all for a brand new stadium uptown as long as Tepper pays for it himself 

You know he won’t 

If the politicians stand firm (like NC Gov. McCrory did with Jerry Richardson while CLT City Council simultaneously caved) and Just Say No...

...Tepper will have no choice. 

More and more municipalities are manning up and embracing Just Say No:

> SoFi Stadium ($5B), fully funded by Rams ownership.

> Jets-Giants Stadium ($1.6B), built by the owners with no public money (there were revenue sharing concessions, etc).

> NY Islanders ($1.1), new Nassau Coliseum fully built with private funds (NYS does own the land it sits on).  

Edited December 22, 2021 by SizzleBuzz

[SizzleBuzz]

2 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

Parking was no problem when I was there for the Panthers game. Plenty of extra spots at the Westgate complex

Good stuff, got lucky.

 

4 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

I think you have to figure the Pipe and Foundry site plus the current site of BOA stadium will probably be scraped and used as part of the complex

Even if this did take place the acreage-assimilation would only represent 40% of what they have in Glendale.

In addition to being more than 2X in size the Glendale site is uniformly shaped and isn't bisected by a major highway and a railroad.

[PanthersATL]

1 hour ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Tailgating "below ground" doesn't sound like much fun...

Most parking decks don't allow for tailgating for all sorts of liability reasons.  Probaby concerned about potential for grills or other injuries in the enclosed space 

[Panthera onca]

29 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Good stuff, got lucky.

 

Even if this did take place the acreage-assimilation would only represent 40% of what they have in Glendale.

In addition to being more than 2X in size the Glendale site is uniformly shaped and isn't bisected by a major highway and a railroad.

True, it won't be as big. Good architects and engineers and urban planners can deal with the rest and make it pedestrian friendly. 

[gofightwin]

Pipe and Foundry won't even change hands for almost two years (middle 2023 at the earliest). Their new plant isn't scheduled for completion until spring 2023.  He can't really even ask for stadium money from the city/state until he actually owns the land.

Soil remediation alone would take months before anything is even started where those plants are now.  We are 8-10 years away from a new stadium being opened.  Underground parking takes forever to build (which is almost guaranteed).  A master plan like he is preparing for a downtown area is a massive undertaking. 

[SizzleBuzz]

33 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

True, it won't be as big. Good architects and engineers and urban planners can deal with the rest and make it pedestrian friendly. 

Sounds extremely expensive -- who pays?

Where are the "architects and engineers" going to reroute the major highway that runs right through the middle of the CP&F land?

[SizzleBuzz]

9 minutes ago, gofightwin said:

Soil remediation alone would take months before anything is even started where those plants are now. 

This.

That acreage to the left of I-277 could literally be a superfund site...been there since 1901, who knows what's been dumped in 120 years.

[gofightwin]

5 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Sounds extremely expensive -- who pays?

Where are the "architects and engineers" going to reroute the major highway that runs right through the middle of the CP&F land?

There is PLENTY of room....

[gofightwin]

3 minutes ago, gofightwin said:

There is PLENTY of room....

And there is room on the other site, albeit a tighter fit.

[SizzleBuzz]

10 minutes ago, gofightwin said:

There is PLENTY of room....

Is there?

Are you assuming the new stadium will be the exact same size as the old stadium? 

What happens to the CP&F land across I-277?

Edited December 22, 2021 by SizzleBuzz

[Scott12345]

2 hours ago, SizzleBuzz said:

If the politicians stand firm (like NC Gov. McCrory did with Jerry Richardson while CLT City Council simultaneously caved) and Just Say No...

...Tepper will have no choice. 

More and more municipalities are manning up and embracing Just Say No:

> SoFi Stadium ($5B), fully funded by Rams ownership.

> Jets-Giants Stadium ($1.6B), built by the owners with no public money (there were revenue sharing concessions, etc).

> NY Islanders ($1.1), new Nassau Coliseum fully built with private funds (NYS does own the land it sits on).  

stadium will end up in SC

[SizzleBuzz]

 

11 minutes ago, gofightwin said:

And there is room on the other site, albeit a tighter fit.

SoFi Stadium...298 acres.

You think Tepper wants to cram his coup de grace into less than 30 acres? 

Edited December 22, 2021 by SizzleBuzz

[gofightwin]

7 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Is there?

Are you assuming the new stadium will be the exact same size as the old stadium? 

What happens to the CP&F land across I-277?

Is there enough room? Jeez do you even see the picture? That is about twice the size of the parcel the stadium sits on now. One side will be stadium, one will be entertainment district. 

1 minute ago, SizzleBuzz said:

SoFi Stadium...298 acres.

You think Tepper wants to cram his coup de grace into less than 30 acres? 

You are hopeless to argue with.  Inglewood CA is NOT a city downtown if you aren't familiar with LA.  We don't need dedicated parking for 50,000 cars.  We currently have zero. That whole site is a giant parking lot.