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13 minutes ago, KatsAzz said:

Carson Strong NFL Scouting Report

Pros

• Top tier arm strength
• Displays great touch on downfield throws
• Clean throwing motion

Cons

• Ball placement in all areas
• Major risk taker
• His lack of mobility is constantly evident

Carson Strong is a three-year contributor for the Nevada Wolfpack. He possesses good height and solid weight for the quarterback position in the NFL. As mentioned previously, Strong should post one of the slowest 40 times at the NFL Combine. In 2021, Carson Strong led the Nevada Wolfpack to an 8-4 record and a spot in the Quicklane Bowl. He was able to record 4,186 yards for 36 touchdowns and just eight interceptions on the year. He was awarded Mountain West Offensive Player of the Year honors for the second time in his career.

The first thing that jumps off of Carson Strong’s film is his natural arm strength. Easily able to push the ball down the field, he can throw 65 yards with ease. While some believe this ability is overrated, it is still something the defense must respect. It also pops up in other areas as his velocity to all levels of the field is consistently great. This gives Strong the ability to put the ball into windows that other passers couldn’t even attempt. Strong may have the strongest arm in this draft class. Furthermore, he also displays good touch down the field making him an exciting deep passer. He does all of these things rather seamlessly as well as he couples them with a clean, easy throwing motion that allows him to get the ball out quickly.

However, while Strong does have a talented arm, he is not without flaws. To begin with, his ball placement is routinely off. This makes throws that should be easy completions far tougher and sometimes just incompletions. It also handicaps the offense as Strong’s inaccuracy limits the chances for a run after the catch. In addition to this, he has never seen a throw he didn’t think he could make. Of course, this works in his favor oftentimes in college as his arm can make it happen. In the NFL however, he will not get away with these passes as often. His lack of mobility could also present a problem. As NFL pass rushers become increasingly more athletic, a QB’s ability to escape becomes more and more prevalent, and Strong simply doesn’t have it.

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[MillionDollarCam]

Just don’t see it with Strong. The Nevada offense was perfect for him and he took full advantage.

His ability to go through his reads at a much faster pace with no mobility whatsoever is going to be a huge question mark.

If you watch majority of Strong’s games you’ll see him go with his first read because:

1. Nevada has a good offensive scheme that is tailored to the short passing game or one on one deep shots on the outside.

2. Strong has a great arm and can make every throw.

3. The level of competition was poor and many times Strong’s first read was open.

Strong was sacked 35 times this past year which puts him in the bottom fourth of the NCAA in sacks. Some of that is due to Nevada’s offensive line which is in the middle of pack in the Mountain West, but a lot of times it’s because Strong is holding on to the ball too long when his first quick route isn’t available. Because his mobility is limited it puts him at a pretty big disadvantage.

If you want to see what Strong will look like in the NFL then just watch Ben Roethlisberger from this past year.

Strong will make some great throws but his athleticism and inability to come off his first read as soon as it’s not there will be a hinderance in the NFL where you only have three seconds to throw the football.

You can put on Josh Allen’s college tape and just see the difference in how a top tier QB processes his reads and uses his legs to extend plays so that he can go through all of his reads.

If you have to take a QB this year then you take Howell because over the past three years he’s shown he can do everything. It’s more about putting it all together at one time.

If you have the luxury of taking a QB and letting him sit (teams like Washington, Philadelphia, Minnesota, Miami, Denver, and Detroit) then you take a risk on Willis because he is the true boom or bust QB in the class.

Edited January 19, 2022 by MillionDollarCam

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A few games showing all his throws.. Good and bad decisions.. Good and bad throws..

He is a gun slinger and has alot of faith in his arm.. Not athletic at all.. But he is making pre snap reads moving his WR and making audibles without looking for sideline playcards...  Stand strong in the pocket..

[WOW!!]

I love JT QB school..

 

 

[JawnyBlaze]

Why does he throw it so far all the time? I thought it was against the rules to throw past the yellow line, isn’t that what it’s there for?

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36 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

Just don’t see it with Strong. The Nevada offense was perfect for him and he took full advantage.

His ability to go through his reads at a much faster pace with no mobility whatsoever is going to be a huge question mark.

If you watch majority of Strong’s games you’ll see him go with his first read because:

1. Nevada has a good offensive scheme that is tailored to the short passing game or one on one deep shots on the outside.

2. Strong has a great arm and can make every throw.

3. The level of competition was poor and many times Strong’s first read was open.

Strong was sacked 35 times this past year which puts him in the bottom fourth of the NCAA in sacks. Some of that is due to Nevada’s offensive line which is in the middle of pack in the Mountain West, but a lot of times it’s because Strong is holding on to the ball too long when his first quick route isn’t available. Because his mobility is limited it puts him at a pretty big disadvantage.

If you want to see what Strong will look like in the NFL then just watch Ben Roethlisberger from this past year.

Strong will make some great throws but his athleticism and inability to come off his first read as soon as it’s not there will be a hinderance in the NFL where you only have three seconds to throw the football.

You can put on Josh Allen’s college tape and just see the difference in how a top tier QB processes his reads and uses his legs to extend plays so that he can go through all of his reads.

If you have to take a QB this year then you take Howell because over the past three years he’s shown he can do everything. It’s more about putting it all together at one time.

If you have the luxury of taking a QB and letting him sit (teams like Washington, Philadelphia, Minnesota, Miami, Denver, and Detroit) then you take a risk on Willis because he is the true boom or bust QB in the class.

It depends on what type of development QB you want.. 

The Tall statue (matt Ryan) or the Athlete with running ability (Lamar Jackson)..

I think both Strong and Wills will end up in the 2nd round.. Due to their flaws.. Strong (no athleticism) Malik (raw as hell)..

[MillionDollarCam]

19 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

It depends on what type of development QB you want.. 

The Tall statue (matt Ryan) or the Athlete with running ability (Lamar Jackson)..

I think both Strong and Wills will end up in the 2nd round.. Due to their flaws.. Strong (no athleticism) Malik (raw as hell)..

For us in particular I don’t think either is a good option.

Both Howell and Pickett seem like better fits.

Howell has shown that he can do it all, now he just needs to do it all at one time. Pickett on the other hand could be a late boomer or he could have taken advantage of being the most experienced player in the ACC. Regardless, both can start right away. I just don’t think either is going to be a top 10 QB at anytime in this league.

Willis and Strong probably both need to sit for different reasons.

Also, Strong very well could have a great career. Eli Manning did and he’s as unathletic as they come. You just have to wonder about Strong’s ability to process a defense with his lack of athleticism to by him time. The game will move much quicker in the NFL than it does in the Mountain West. I think a good example is watching his tape against Kansas State. He had a decent game but the game moved much quicker for him and he doesn’t have the athleticism to make up for it. Then you watch Willis play Virginia Tech and you see that he’s raw and erratic but he’s so athletic that he can make up for it even playing at a high level. Pro’s and cons to both if those guys but both need to sit.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

I don't want to see any young mans NFL dream get dashed by being drafted here in this lame duck season. Imagine if you spent your whole life working to be an NFL QB and it all comes crashing down when a dumbfug head coach like Matt Rhule drafts you and puts you behind Pat Elfein. Then fires your OC to save his fat ass 2 days before game day. Just a Greek Tragedy.

Edited January 19, 2022 by Sean Payton's Vicodin

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21 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

For us in particular I don’t think either is a good option.

Both Howell and Pickett seem like better fits.

Howell has shown that he can do it all, now he just needs to do it all at one time. Pickett on the other hand could be a late boomer or he could have taken advantage of being the most experienced player in the ACC. Regardless, both can start right away. I just don’t think either is going to be a top 10 QB at anytime in this league.

Willis and Strong probably both need to sit for different reasons.

Also, Strong very well could have a great career. Eli Manning did and he’s as unathletic as they come. You just have to wonder about Strong’s ability to process a defense with his lack of athleticism to by him time. The game will move much quicker in the NFL than it does in the Mountain West. I think a good example is watching his tape against Kansas State. He had a decent game but the game moved much quicker for him and he doesn’t have the athleticism to make up for it. Then you watch Willis play Virginia Tech and you see that he’s raw and erratic but he’s so athletic that he can make up for it even playing at a high level. Pro’s and cons to both if those guys but both need to sit.

Jmo opinion I fuging hate Pickett as a prospect.. I hate he only had 1 good season of college football in 5 years.. I hate he's older prospect and I hate he isn't elite in anything.. Avg. Arm talent okay athleticism took him 5 years to be a good decisions maker .. I see Joey Harrington, Christian Ponder written all over him...

Now Howell maybe most talented QB in this draft.. I really feel he will rise during the draft process and it will come down to either picking him or a elite Olinemen in the 1st.  And I'm all Olinemen in the 1st no matter the position.. But Howell has a strong arm can run and has good college production every year in college..(unlike Pickett) .. He is a less athletic Russell Wilson  because he doesn't have ideal size... But he checks the box every where else.. And I'm not a UNC fan.. He just going to rise beyond where I'm comfortable picking him...

[chknwing]

Can he play HC

[MillionDollarCam]

22 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Jmo opinion I fuging hate Pickett as a prospect.. I hate he only had 1 good season of college football in 5 years.. I hate he's older prospect and I hate he isn't elite in anything.. Avg. Arm talent okay athleticism took him 5 years to be a good decisions maker .. I see Joey Harrington, Christian Ponder written all over him...

Now Howell maybe most talented QB in this draft.. I really feel he will rise during the draft process and it will come down to either picking him or a elite Olinemen in the 1st.  And I'm all Olinemen in the 1st no matter the position.. But Howell has a strong arm can run and has good college production every year in college..(unlike Pickett) .. He is a less athletic Russell Wilson  because he doesn't have ideal size... But he checks the box every where else.. And I'm not a UNC fan.. He just going to rise beyond where I'm comfortable picking him...

I’m not a fan of Pickett either but I can understand to a point why some people are. Whoever drafts him is essentially hoping that he had a Joe Burrow glow up. The issue is that Burrow beat about 7 nationally ranked teams and set all sorts of records on the way to a National Championship. Pickett on the other hand beat up on a poor ACC.

I do like Howell. For me it all comes back to him being able to put everything together. His first two years he was one of the top passers of the football while not having much of a presence in the run game. This past year he struggled throwing the ball a bit but he was phenomenal on the ground. Can he put two and two together and become a Russell Wilsonesque QB?

The big question for Howell is can he be a franchise QB. A franchise QB might have been able to get a little more out of UNC last year. I get that he lost a ton of production but if he’s drafted high he isn’t going to be in a field of sunshine and daisy’s… it’ll be a pit of hellfire and brimstone. 

If we’re looking at a QB, I’d probably trade down between 12-15 and take Howell. 

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56 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

I’m not a fan of Pickett either but I can understand to a point why some people are. Whoever drafts him is essentially hoping that he had a Joe Burrow glow up. The issue is that Burrow beat about 7 nationally ranked teams and set all sorts of records on the way to a National Championship. Pickett on the other hand beat up on a poor ACC.

I do like Howell. For me it all comes back to him being able to put everything together. His first two years he was one of the top passers of the football while not having much of a presence in the run game. This past year he struggled throwing the ball a bit but he was phenomenal on the ground. Can he put two and two together and become a Russell Wilsonesque QB?

The big question for Howell is can he be a franchise QB. A franchise QB might have been able to get a little more out of UNC last year. I get that he lost a ton of production but if he’s drafted high he isn’t going to be in a field of sunshine and daisy’s… it’ll be a pit of hellfire and brimstone. 

If we’re looking at a QB, I’d probably trade down between 12-15 and take Howell. 

Ppl keep using Burrows as a template without context for Pickett...

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/joe-burrow-1.html

Burrows barely got a shot to play at Ohio state transferred and only had 2 season to show his ability.. 1 season to learn the system and then 1 of the best college seasons in history..

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/kenny-pickett-1.html

Pickett had 3 years as the unquestioned starter and it took him a 4th season to become a draftable player...

Not the same situation..

[AU-panther]

17 hours ago, WOW!! said:

 

I see Mac Jones with a way better arm.. He is a throw back not much of a runner.. But hes big can add weight to his frame..

Out of all the QBS in this draft his video shows the most NFL throws.. Putting laser between 2 or 3 defenders, beating tight coverage, showing touch and different ball speeds, dropping dimes in a bucket. Plus he gets the ball out quick and makes good decisions when doing it... His arm shows it all.. I wouldn't be mad if we get a 2nd round pick and get him...

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/carson-strong-1.html

This is the progression you want to see when picking a QB.. Every year he get better.. That's The Parcell qb evaluation chart..

I agree he has a pretty good arm but its a bit of a stretch to say he has most NFL throws out of all all the prospects based on a highlight video.

According to this:

2022 NFL Mock Draft: Carolina Panthers select QB Sam Howell at No. 6, New Orleans Saints land Ole Miss QB Matt Corral at No. 16 | NFL Draft | PFF

Howell actually leads all of the QBs for most big time throws over the last 3 years.

 

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2 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

I agree he has a pretty good arm but its a bit of a stretch to say he has most NFL throws out of all all the prospects based on a highlight video.

According to this:

2022 NFL Mock Draft: Carolina Panthers select QB Sam Howell at No. 6, New Orleans Saints land Ole Miss QB Matt Corral at No. 16 | NFL Draft | PFF

Howell actually leads all of the QBs for most big time throws over the last 3 years.

 

3 years okay you are probably right.. But in 2021 nooo.. Carson was making more NFL throws then Howell and that could basically because Howell was running and doing more QB design runs this year...

I think Howell is the better prospect he can move and has a really talented arm as well..

I made a Carson thread because he will most likely end up a second round pick based on no athleticism.. So if we can recoup some picks.. We could possibly get a starting Olinemen in the 1st round and get Carson or Wills in the 2nd.. 

I think Howell will move into top 15 pick in the draft Process and prevent us from getting 1 of the best Olinemen in the 1st..