Things couldn’t have set up better for Tepper and Rhule

[Snake]

15 minutes ago, Manna said:

I get that Rome wasn’t built in a day. I get that Jay Z took 7 years to become Jay Z. What I don’t get is why keep this head coach around when he’s shown no improvement in the two years he’s been here. If his coaching, culture, and system are 1000% working we SHOULD be able to see it and there would at least be a ray of hope going into year 3. Instead, the only hope we as fans are left with is to look forward to which week next season when he gets fired. 

Teddy (still sucks) but he was right about this coaching staff and I’m glad he spoke out against them. 

When your standard is better in 7 years that should tell you something. I swear I could have picked a better coach and staff with completely zero experience. 

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Browns sucked on purpose and landed the top pick in Baker... how has that turned out? Its a crap shoot.... so yes it is that difficult.

Well, that's a mighty selective narrative. The Browns had four total wins in the three seasons prior to drafting Mayfield. They've won 32 games in the four seasons since. Are they elite? No. But are their prospects night and day different since? Absolutely.

 

[BrianS]

Anyone who still believes a QB requires an excellent OLine to succeed needs to go watch the Bengals play.  Burrow was absolutely under siege all day, heck all season.  Dude is a baller.

I was a Burrow doubter, looked like a one season wonder.  I was wrong.  Something obviously just "clicked" for him that last year in college.

[frankw]

5 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Bengals have picked in the top 10 every year since the end of the 2015 season.... Those early picks are part of their roster and rebuild. Selecting #1 doesnt mean you have started and ended your rebuild. If thats the case, whats up with the browns?  Bengals lucked out and had the top pick in the right draft. 

 

Browns sucked on purpose and landed the top pick in Baker... how has that turned out? Its a crap shoot.... so yes it is that difficult.

 

 

The Bengals aren't exactly known as a great drafting team. They were raked over the coals for drafting Chase and not an olineman. You see how that has worked out for them though. Because Baker sucks it's too scary to take a QB now? We can bash the Browns if it makes us feel better but they've been in the playoffs while we had to call up Cam Newton just to make the season partially watchable. We are in this mess because management called this a rebuild and then turned around and mortgaged the future for returns now. The man at the helm of that is Rhule.

[musicman]

This is a tough crowd in here. Bengals coach Zac Taylor had like 6 or 7 wins his 1st 2 years. In his 2nd year, he lost his best player for most of the season (Burrow). We lost our best CMC for most of the year. 

The 2 upsets yesterday were won with defense and running the ball. We have a real good defense. All we need is a couple of breaks (health wise) and players to play up their ability (Anderson, Brown, etc) and we might be decent next year. 

Fingers crossed.

 

 

[TheCasillas]

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Well, that's a mighty selective narrative. The Browns had four total wins in the three seasons prior to drafting Mayfield. They've won 32 games in the four seasons since. Are they elite? No. But are their prospects night and day different since? Absolutely.

 

Not a selective narrative, the Browns were the one of the latest teams to draft a QB #1 in the league. It is one of the most immediate comparisons to the Bengals situation. 

It's also worth noting the Browns are already considering moving on from baker, which further supports the point that a rebuild doesnt start and end with a #1 pick QB.

Edited January 23, 2022 by TheCasillas

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, TheCasillas said:

Not a selective narrative, the Browns were the one of the latest teams to draft a QB #1 in the league. It is one of the most immediate comparisons to the Bengals situation. 

It's also worth nothing the Browns are already considering moving on from baker, which further supports the point that a rebuild doesnt start and end with a #1 pick QB.

Four wins in three years. 32 wins in four years. These situations couldn't be more different.

[Snake]

6 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Anyone who still believes a QB requires an excellent OLine to succeed needs to go watch the Bengals play.  Burrow was absolutely under siege all day, heck all season.  Dude is a baller.

I was a Burrow doubter, looked like a one season wonder.  I was wrong.  Something obviously just "clicked" for him that last year in college.

I would have given up 4 1st round picks for him. I doubt even then the Cincinnati would have moved. They are money when it comes to picking QBs and WRs. Or maybe it's just a learning thing from picking one of the worst QBs. 

[TheCasillas]

3 minutes ago, frankw said:

The Bengals aren't exactly known as a great drafting team. They were raked over the coals for drafting Chase and not an olineman. You see how that has worked out for them though. Because Baker sucks it's too scary to take a QB now? We can bash the Browns if it makes us feel better but they've been in the playoffs while we had to call up Cam Newton just to make the season partially watchable. We are in this mess because management called this a rebuild and then turned around and mortgaged the future for returns now. The man at the helm of that is Rhule.

Im not sure where you are going here. All I called out is that a rebuild doesnt start when you want it to and end when you say. The Bengals have been in rebuild mode since 2015. It had taken them almost 7 years to become relevant again. There is no denying or changing that.

[unicar15]

I’m gonna make a prediction that if Rhule finds a way to get a top 15 QB and is able to fix the OL then we will make the playoffs. The problem lies in the method of addressing those issues. 

[TheCasillas]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Four wins in three years. 32 wins in four years. These situations couldn't be more different.

First 3 years with Baker: 24 wins
First 2 years with Burrow: 16 wins

They dont seem far off...  they actually seem identical

Edited January 23, 2022 by TheCasillas

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

First 3 years with Baker: 24 wins
First 2 years with Burrow: 16 wins

They dont seem far off...  they actually seem identical

Baker is better than people want to admit. If the Browns move on from him they'll probably go back to being the Browns of old.

[TheCasillas]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Baker is better than people want to admit. If the Browns move on from him they'll probably go back to being the Browns of old.

I agree. IF we could get him for a future 3rd, I wouldnt be mad. 

Edited January 23, 2022 by TheCasillas

[frankw]

3 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Im not sure where you are going here. All I called out is that a rebuild doesnt start when you want it to and end when you say. The Bengals have been in rebuild mode since 2015. It had taken them almost 7 years to become relevant again. There is no denying or changing that.

Are you using the Bengals struggles since 2015 to make the point that Rhule is actually making progress but it will be a 7 year process? It shouldn't have to be that way in this version of the NFL. I don’t think anyone here is arguing that the Bengals haven't been bad for many years but the ascension is due to the fact they knew how to suck the right way and they weren't afraid to take their quarterback. They weren't trying to sign the likes of Teddy Bridgewater or trade for busts like Sam Darnold. This is what we are going to have to do. There are no shortcut quarterbacks we can acquire from another team to bypass that.