Carolina quietly cleared more cap with RA

[Toomers]

15 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

The market as a whole is going up because of the Kirk deal.  Look what Adams just got.  I know he is one of the best, but that is insane for a WR.  The bar has been raised for what WRs are going to be paid, so by default that makes previous contracts look better.  I understand you don't like the contract, like I said I'm not a fan of it either, but with the average price of a WR going up it's makes me feel better about it.  It's just my opinion whether you like it or not.

  Adams and Robby should never be mentioned in the same breath. And if Robby was even average, you might have a point. But he pouted, got an extension, and mailed it in.. Then had the 3rd worst catch % in the NFL. Worst Y/TGt for a WR. Nothing another team or WR does makes any of his extension less ill-advised. Aaron Rodgers got 50M. Does that make giving Darnold 19M guaranteed any better?

And Kirk got 4/72 at 3 years younger. Not the 21/yr reported at first.    

Edited March 18, 2022 by Toomers

[ForJimmy]

3 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  Adams and Robby should never be mentioned in the same breath. And if Robby was even average, you might have a point. But he pouted, got an extension, and mailed it in.. Then had the 3rd worst catch % in the NFL. Worst Y/TGt for a WR. Nothing another team or WR does makes any of his extension less ill-advised. Aaron Rodgers got 50M. Does that make giving Darnold 19M guaranteed any better?

   

WRs as a whole are getting more.  Go look at Allen Robinson's numbers last year and he just got 3 year 46.5 million.  Stop trying to argue about this nonsense.  They paid him before he had that terrible year and like I said everyone on our offense was terrible last year (similar to Allen Robinson and Chicago).  You can think it is a terrible contract, but everyone doesn't have to agree with you. 

[Toomers]

9 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

WRs as a whole are getting more.  Go look at Allen Robinson's numbers last year and he just got 3 year 46.5 million.  Stop trying to argue about this nonsense.  They paid him before he had that terrible year and like I said everyone on our offense was terrible last year (similar to Allen Robinson and Chicago).  You can think it is a terrible contract, but everyone doesn't have to agree with you. 

I can look at Robinson being an actual WR1 on two different teams. Both with questionable QB play. And still having high quality seasons. And even hurt for a 1/3 of the year last season still played better with just as poor an offense and no DJ Moore drawing the attention. I can think it’s a terrible contract, and can show numerous reasons why. As I have. Including when it was signed last summer. 

Edited March 18, 2022 by Toomers

[ForJimmy]

7 minutes ago, Toomers said:

I can look at Robinson being an actual WR1 on two different teams. Both with questionable QB play. And still having high quality seasons. And even hurt for a 1/3 of the year last season still played better with just as poor an offense and no DJ Moore drawing the attention. I can think it’s a terrible contract, and can show numerous reasons why. As I have. Including when it was signed last summer. 

Nah see we are judging based on last year like you did with Robby.  410 yards and 1 TD got him over 15 million a year for 3 years.  WRs are expensive now get over it. We paid Robby after a 1000 yard season with Teddy Bridgewater as his WR (his first average QB he has had).  The our entire offense imploded because we went all in on Darnold like idiots and had a terrible OL.  The new price for WRs makes his contract easier FOR ME to accept.  If you can't handle that I'm not sure what to tell you...  Go argue with someone else about the cap like you normally do, because what I stated is an OPINION and it is mine. 

[Toomers]

14 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Nah see we are judging based on last year like you did with Robby.  410 yards and 1 TD got him over 15 million a year for 3 years.  WRs are expensive now get over it. We paid Robby after a 1000 yard season with Teddy Bridgewater as his WR (his first average QB he has had).  The our entire offense imploded because we went all in on Darnold like idiots and had a terrible OL.  The new price for WRs makes his contract easier FOR ME to accept.  If you can't handle that I'm not sure what to tell you...  Go argue with someone else about the cap like you normally do, because what I stated is an OPINION and it is mine. 

And stats without context is usually where you land. It’s the limit of your knowledge. Never mind their careers. Injuries. Targets. Catch %. Just off counting stats which are still pitiful. Take a poll. Ask how many Panther fans think Robby’s deal is not terrible. I just think your opinion and justifications of it are wrong and that’s my OPINION. 

[ForJimmy]

6 minutes ago, Toomers said:

And stats without context is usually where you land. It’s the limit of your knowledge. Never mind their careers. Injuries. Targets. Catch %. Just off counting stats which are still pitiful. Take a poll. Ask how many Panther fans think Robby’s deal is not terrible. I just think your opinion and justifications of it are wrong and that’s my OPINION. 

(Catch % would be a stat, targets is also)  I said the new price for WRs makes it not terrible and you have lost your damn mind over it.  I got several Pies/likes when I posted it so I would assume those people agree.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/christian-kirk-contract-details-jaguars-wr-davante-adams/dg9lja2nsddliagplwupp7xd

Kirk's contract impacted the WR market making older contracts more attractive.  It's like if I paid too much for a house last year, but the housing market boomed and now I'm better in said house than before.  We can disagree it's ok....  I mean it's a simple "not terrible" to "terrible" in terms of describing a contract.  I'm not saying they did a great or good job.  In fact (as I previously stated) I wish they used it on Moore instead.  

[SteveSmithTD89]

2 hours ago, stbugs said:

The bold assumption is the problem. Most contracts aren’t meant to be played out fully. As @Toomers said in his reply above, restructuring limits your options so you end up keeping a Short one or two years extra like we did. We’d have another $26.5M in cap space right now (via rollover) if we didn’t restructure Short and cut him at the point where he was meant to be cut.

I dont disagree at all. I even said in a later post that this move, particularly with Robby is a head scratcher. First move that feels like the ole Hunrey special.

We saw it play out with Hurney restructuring players that 1) shouldn't have been paid what they were and 2) then constantly restructuring to the point where we are stuck and can't move on from them. 

Its certainly not the ideal scenario but I feel a lot more comfortable restructuring a guy like Moton vs CMC, Robby etc.

[Biscuit]

1 minute ago, SteveSmithTD89 said:

I dont disagree at all. I even said in a later post that this move, particularly with Robby is a head scratcher. First move that feels like the ole Hunrey special.

We saw it play out with Hurney restructuring players that 1) shouldn't have been paid what they were and 2) then constantly restructuring to the point where we are stuck and can't move on from them. 

Its certainly not the ideal scenario but I feel a lot more comfortable restructuring a guy like Moton vs CMC, Robby etc.

We already restructured Moton a few weeks ago. For whatever reason, they are scraping up more room for TBD.

[Jmac]

1 hour ago, jb2288 said:

Unless he got hurt early season, there’s no chance this roster with Baker picks top 5 

We have a top 5 pick next year??? You have a crystal ball?

[jb2288]

1 hour ago, Jmac said:

We have a top 5 pick next year??? You have a crystal ball?

Are you dumb? 

[TheSpecialJuan]

5 hours ago, SgtJoo said:

 

ROBBY ANDERSONWR, CAROLINA PANTHERS

Panthers restructured Robby Anderson's contract, creating $5.9 million in cap space.

Carolina converted $11.8 million of his pay in 2022 into a signing bonus. It's a routine move that was likely done automatically by the team. The Panthers have well over $30 million in cap space now. Expect them to be big spenders in the second wave of free agency

[austin1227]

5 hours ago, Smithers said:

Yeah - we are about to make some big signings the next 24-48 hours.  We now know we have the cap space - time to ensure the other 21 starters are as good as they can be while we work to address the QB situation.  

C, LOG, MLB, RDE, and DT still need to be upgraded.  

Or maybe we make a ton of budget signings because we're the Panthers 

[SteveSmithTD89]

2 hours ago, Biscuit said:

We already restructured Moton a few weeks ago. For whatever reason, they are scraping up more room for TBD.

Sorry poorly worded on my part. Meant I was more comfortable with the restructure of Moton vs Robby. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

47 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

ROBBY ANDERSONWR, CAROLINA PANTHERS

Panthers restructured Robby Anderson's contract, creating $5.9 million in cap space.

Carolina converted $11.8 million of his pay in 2022 into a signing bonus. It's a routine move that was likely done automatically by the team. The Panthers have well over $30 million in cap space now. Expect them to be big spenders in the second wave of free agency

Fit was smart to wait until the 2nd wave when prices come down