Just throwing this out there..

[WOW!!]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

To be fair, a team was willing to give up assets to trade up and take Ryan Leaf as well.

Likewise, JaMarcus Russell was once rated as a top prospect in the draft.

Cool.. They were rated higher and should have been successful.. Due to their on failing not their talent level they failed..

But if we're debating the percentage of the scouts and analysts being right in this situation to being wrong.. I go with the professionals every time over internet Scouts ...

If you don't believe in general consensus by the professionals then who opinion do you post about??

[WOW!!]

7 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

lol you poo on Minshew but you want a guy that hasn't done poo. Makes perfect sense. 

I poo on Minshew because availability + price to get him + what your getting = doesn't add it to a low risk high reward move...

[ForJimmy]

It’s not a terribke idea. I still think people underestimate the QB position. A great OL and average QB can make you the Colts missing the playoffs. A great QB and terrible OL can get you to the Super Bowl like the Bengals…

[Growl]

hey hubby really glad you’re here

why don’t you tell us how that Once In A Generation LT did for your Lions 

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Cool.. They were rated higher and should have been successful.. Due to their on failing not their talent level they failed..

But if we're debating the percentage of the scouts and analysts being right in this situation to being wrong.. I go with the professionals every time over internet Scouts ...

If you don't believe in general consensus by the professionals then who opinion do you post about??

I do tend to trust them.

I also understand that sometimes they're wrong.

[WOW!!]

16 minutes ago, Growl said:

it’s hilarious to cry strawman when your argument, the new one I mean, not the any of the original four, is unquantifiable in any way.

You’re right though, I am ignoring your attempt to try and change the subject from the previous arguments you made which you couldn’t defend. 

tell me more about how LT is as valuable as a QB. 

How am I changing any subject??

Not 1 time in this thread did I say LT are just as valuable as QBS.. I said and showed that LT is 1 step down so positional value difference isn't that great.. Mlb, RB, Guard compare to QB ?? Okay then you take the QB.. BUt LT is considered by most to be a top 10 draftable position in the value chart..

I have not and will not say any QB in this draft is on the same level prospect wise as Trey Lance and most of the football world agrees..

So again what argument have I changed??

I still think a 4th or Lower round pick for Love and a 6th pick on Neal or Ikownun is a better option then "taking a big swing" at any QB in this draft.. 

Where did I change the argument??

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I do tend to trust them.

I also understand that sometimes they're wrong.

That's cool.. But my argument is ...I like this situation over that situation based on analysis and risk reward percentage... 

That's all I was saying..

The scouts could be wrong but I'm more willing to bet they did their work and their observations are better then some internet GM gut feeling..

[Growl]

4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

It’s not a terribke idea. I still think people underestimate the QB position. A great OL and average QB can make you the Colts missing the playoffs. A great QB and terrible OL can get you to the Super Bowl like the Bengals…

there should be nothing scarier for an nfl fan than your team locking itself in QB purgatory, too good to draft a QB, too bad to make the playoffs.

conversely there’s precious little downside to drafting a rookie QB.

what’s the worst that can happen? Youre bad? You’re going to be bad without a franchise guy anyways. In this case you’re grateful that he’s bad enough to give you another chance. Far better to be bad than to be average.

on the other hand, if he’s good, you’re competing for Super Bowls. If your drafted OT is good, but your QB is bad, you’re just a bad team. 

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

That's cool.. But my argument is ...I like this situation over that situation based on analysis and risk reward percentage... 

That's all I was saying..

The scouts could be wrong but I'm more willing to bet they did their work and their observations are better then some internet GM gut feeling..

The thing is, if you're trusting the opinions of professionals, the ones who coach the Green Bay Packers don't really seem to be all that high on Jordan Love.

[WOW!!]

1 minute ago, Growl said:

there should be nothing scarier for an nfl fan than your team locking itself in QB purgatory, too good to draft a QB, too bad to make the playoffs.

conversely there’s precious little downside to drafting a rookie QB.

what’s the worst that can happen? Youre bad? You’re going to be bad without a franchise guy anyways. In this case you’re grateful that he’s bad enough to give you another chance. Far better to be bad than to be average.

on the other hand, if he’s good, you’re competing for Super Bowls. If your drafted OT is good, but your QB is bad, you’re just a bad team. 

 

This is crazy ... You're still not out of QB purgatory even if you draft 1 of these QBS..

By most scouts and analysts opinion..

Same question what's the worst that can happen.. Love and Darnold suck!! But you have the foundation for a dominant Oline and a opportunity to add a higher rated QB in a (by most professional opinion) a better QB class.. Instead of looking for 2 high valued position next year you might be only looking for 1..

 

 

[Growl]

10 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

How am I changing any subject??

Not 1 time in this thread did I say LT are just as valuable as QBS.. I said and showed that LT is 1 step down so positional value difference isn't that great.. Mlb, RB, Guard compare to QB ?? Okay then you take the QB.. BUt LT is considered by most to be a top 10 draftable position in the value chart..

I have not and will not say any QB in this draft is on the same level prospect wise as Trey Lance and most of the football world agrees..

So again what argument have I changed??

I still think a 4th or Lower round pick for Love and a 6th pick on Neal or Ikownun is a better option then "taking a big swing" at any QB in this draft.. 

Where did I change the argument??

Top 10? That’s not exactly an impressive bar out of 22.

LTs are not “just” a step down from QB. They are not in the same universe of significance, and the opportunity to take one vastly outweighs the potential benefits of a “top 10” position elsewhere.

Jordan Love is just the desperate whimper of a team in QB purgatory cycling through all the low effort options they rationalize themselves into taking under the exact thought process you’re using, setting season after season on fire until they come to a hard truth: you almost certainly aren’t going to find an actual Dude at the position until you’re willing to swallow it and make a big commitment. You have to pay to play.

getting cute at the QB position virtually never works.

[Growl]

2 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

This is crazy ... You're still not out of QB purgatory even if you draft 1 of these QBS..

By most scouts and analysts opinion..

Same question what's the worst that can happen.. Love and Darnold suck!! But you have the foundation for a dominant Oline and a opportunity to add a higher rated QB in a (by most professional opinion) a better QB class.. Instead of looking for 2 high valued position next year you might be only looking for 1..

 

 

your entire line of thinking centers around making a low effort committment to the QB position so that you’re “free” to “build the roster” elsewhere. What do you think is the inevitable byproduct of getting 21 great players together on a team without a QB?

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6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The thing is, if you're trusting the opinions of professionals, the ones who coach the Green Bay Packers don't really seem to be all that high on Jordan Love.

Which is why .. I said low compensation is very important in this option..

A 4th or lower pick.. On a former 1st round talented player with 3 years left on a rookie deal is a low risk option... 

And the same Greenbay staff thought well of him enough to use a 1st round pick on him... So obviously they like the talent..

[mwright350]

5 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

This is crazy ... You're still not out of QB purgatory even if you draft 1 of these QBS..

By most scouts and analysts opinion..

Same question what's the worst that can happen.. Love and Darnold suck!! But you have the foundation for a dominant Oline and a opportunity to add a higher rated QB in a (by most professional opinion) a better QB class.. Instead of looking for 2 high valued position next year you might be only looking for 1..

 

 

I feel like this has been said 100 times in the last few days on QB threads but the worst that can happen is not that they suck. The worst that can happen the guy you bring in is *just* good enough to keep you from being in position to draft a (likely) better QB next year.

Sucking is the *best* possible outcome given the QB you're talking about, not the worst.  Same reason I don't want any part of Jimmy G.