Are we set at DT?

[Stuart Smith]

Just now, Stuart Smith said:

 

It is a concern to me. We have not seen enough of Nixon, Hoskins, Roy for any length of time to know what we have. I worry about depth, 17 games is a long season.

[MHS831]

10 hours ago, Newbie said:

I thought Hoskins looked pretty good last year. We do need another DT however. 

He must have flashed because I was under the same impression, but his stats were minimal and his PFF score (like Roy) was in the 40s.  I do not put all my stock in PFF, but they tend to give a more accurate account than my memory.  Heck, half the time, I do not even know who is playing DT.  DT is hard to gauge because it is generally a win if you can take on a double team without being moved or if you stalemate a blocker so the LB can make a tackle.

[MHS831]

10 hours ago, Pakmeng said:

Probably not

I hope you are right.

[MHS831]

10 hours ago, Pakmeng said:

What do mean? He's on the roster.

figuratively speaking--if he is on IR which has been his MO...

[MHS831]

As it stands now, we have to go with a fifth rounder or something like that-wasn't Nixon a fifth rounder (a good pick, by the way).  I think Nixon and Ionnidis are better at pass rushing, and I think Brown fancied himself as one at times (when he should have been taking on a double team and anchoring) and I have no idea what in the hell Roy was doing. 

 

[Jon Snow]

No, they are not set. They are not set anywhere at any position.  If you mean are the good enough to go to war with this season? Maybe. 

[Carl Spackler]

Bravvion Roy: the defensive line’s PJ Walker

[Jmac]

Nope....they need to add a quality player and not a JAG. $$$$ to spend. They need to find a stout DT.

[MHS831]

3 minutes ago, Jmac said:

Nope....they need to add a quality player and not a JAG. $$$$ to spend. They need to find a stout DT.

I tend to agree with this--but I have heard about $ for a QB, a LT, possibly Gilmore--but not DT.  Gonna be a long season if we do not find a run stuffer (and I have no issues cutting Roy--sorry Rhule if you are reading this).

[MHS831]

8 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

No, they are not set. They are not set anywhere at any position.  If you mean are the good enough to go to war with this season? Maybe. 

I am looking at 2022 for now, but I see your point.  If they are going with a rookie at QB, he will need a LT and a stout Defense.  We lost Jones and Reddick and Gilmore without doing a lot to replace them.  I hope that we are not going to put the rookie in positions where he is coming from behind all the time because the D can't stop anyone.

Looking at the stats, I understand the economic decision to go with Luvu and Haynes to replace Reddick.  I think you have to assume they will produce if given more reps and Burns should be entering stardom.  I also think YGM is in year 3 and he will rise (Hardy, Charles Johnson, Rucker--year three was breakout time for each).  However, I do not see Ioannitis as a replacement for Jones--we need a stud to keep Roy off the field.

[ECHornet]

2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I am looking at 2022 for now, but I see your point.  If they are going with a rookie at QB, he will need a LT and a stout Defense.  We lost Jones and Reddick and Gilmore without doing a lot to replace them.  I hope that we are not going to put the rookie in positions where he is coming from behind all the time because the D can't stop anyone.

Looking at the stats, I understand the economic decision to go with Luvu and Haynes to replace Reddick.  I think you have to assume they will produce if given more reps and Burns should be entering stardom.  I also think YGM is in year 3 and he will rise (Hardy, Charles Johnson, Rucker--year three was breakout time for each).  However, I do not see Ioannitis as a replacement for Jones--we need a stud to keep Roy off the field.

My opinion on our choices of replacements…

Ioannidis = Jones

Horn = Gilmore (considering future contributions here)

Luvu/Haynes < Reddick

2022 OL >>> 2021 OL

2022 RB > 2021 RB

2022 S > 2021 S

2022 LB >> 2021 LB (safety acquisition allowing Chinn to play here some)

We can’t afford to upgrade every position every year when aging studs don’t factor into future plans. Not upgrading on Reddick/Gilmore is easily offset by the improvements in other position groups which we couldn’t afford if we resigned them all. I feel we’ve chosen correctly to give opportunities to our talented young players, and used free agency to build up groups that have little to no talented young players.

 

Edited March 27, 2022 by ECHornet

[MHS831]

4 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

My opinion on our choices of replacements…

Ioannidis = Jones

Horn = Gilmore (considering future contributions here)

Luvu/Haynes < Reddick

2022 OL >>> 2021 OL

2022 RB > 2021 RB

2022 S > 2021 S

2022 LB >> 2021 LB (safety acquisition allowing Chinn to play here some)

We can’t afford to upgrade every position every year when aging studs don’t factor into future plans. Not upgrading on Reddick/Gilmore is easily offset by the improvements in other position groups which we couldn’t afford if we resigned them all. I feel we’ve chosen correctly to give opportunities to our talented young players, and used free agency to build up groups that have little to no talented young players.

 

I see your logic and think you are right-I think that is what the panthers are thinking.  Haynes and Luvu flashed in 2021 with many fewer reps than Reddick at that position.  They combined for 4.5 sacks.  That is almost the same rate of return we got from Reddick.  I think Fitterer said they are counting on them to step it up with more playing time---if we are going on 2021 stats, if you doubled their time on the field in the absence of Reddick, that would be 9 sacks between the two.  If Burns steps up and Ioannitis can give us some inside pressure--we could be better off than in 2021--theoretically

[DaveThePanther2008]

I heard Star was released by Buffalo.  Wonder if he'd be stop gap for a year?

[MHS831]

2 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I heard Star was released by Buffalo.  Wonder if he'd be stop gap for a year?

I was interested-apparently Buffalo was "revamping" the defense and signing big money Von Miller--so if he has the desire, a 1 year contract with Star would be a good signing.