This right here is HUGE

[SazmoRanger]

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Looking at the recent Super Bowl winners Rams, Bucs, Eagles, Chiefs, Broncos all established solid teams before acquiring their Super Bowl winning QBs. The Chiefs drafted theirs, but traded up to get him as they were already a playoff team with an average QB in Smith. Bucs and Rams had average to below average QB play and build solid teams around them before trading for or signing their guy. Eagles won as a team with a journeyman QB filling in for their drafted one. 
Even if he doesn’t win a Super Bowl, have a decent QB to run our offense and build up our team is a big next step from constantly drafting in the top 10. We become more attractive for vet QBs that may want to leave their team for whatever reason or we can trade up and get our rookie to insert in an offense that isn’t limp and dead. Corral could even be that guy. Rolling it back with Sam and PJ is just hoping for the draft to save us.

You’re comparing what we have in Carolina to those rosters and coaches? Not to mention comparing Baker to Brady, Manning, Mahomes, and Stafford,? 
 

Whatever makes you feel better my dude. 

[ForJimmy]

7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

In fairness, Peyton Manning was easily the worst QB in the NFL when he won his 2nd title. That isn't hyperbole.

I still can’t believe that offense beat our team in the big game. I don’t care how good their defense was….

[Wolfcop]

Just now, ForJimmy said:

I still can’t believe that offense beat our team in the big game. I don’t care how good their defense was….

That offense didn't beat us. Von Miller did. 

[ForJimmy]

Just now, SazmoRanger said:

You’re comparing what we have in Carolina to those rosters and coaches? Not to mention comparing Baker to Brady, Manning, Mahomes, and Stafford,? 
 

Whatever makes you feel better my dude. 

I’m not. I’m comparing Baker to Goff, Winston, and whoever the Broncos had before Manning. We are currently bottom of the league, and Baker COULD help us get to where those teams were BEFORE those elite QBs were acquired. 

[AggieLean]

Baker is an obvious upgrade. Having someone in here who is better in the 3rd is awesome, as that’s where we seem to falter. 
 

I didn’t want Baker, but he’s here now, so I’m hoping it leads to more wins. If it doesn’t work, cool, he’s outta here at the end of the season. We also have our picks, so if we have to move up for one of the top QBs, we’ll be able to do that. 

[SazmoRanger]

Just now, ForJimmy said:

I’m not. I’m comparing Baker to Goff, Winston, and whoever the Broncos had before Manning. We are currently bottom of the league, and Baker COULD help us get to where those teams were BEFORE those elite QBs were acquired. 

If we’re slinging out hypotheticals, so COULD Corral. 
 

Look I want nothing more than to eat crow and Baker be a 10 year All-Pro, but I’ve been at the table ready to eat for 3 years now. This will be the 4th QB myself and others think is a waste. 

[AggieLean]

It’s obvious Corral has a lot of catching up to do; especially when it comes to the mental side. I don’t know if I would’ve used our 3rd on him, but it is what it is. Hopefully, he shows growth and the team will be able to decide if he’s the future.

If not, use whatever pick needed to move up if it’s determined Baker isn’t that guy. 

[ForJimmy]

Just now, SazmoRanger said:

If we’re slinging out hypotheticals, so COULD Corral. 
 

Look I want nothing more than to eat crow and Baker be a 10 year All-Pro, but I’ve been at the table ready to eat for 3 years now. This will be the 4th QB myself and others think is a waste. 

Oh I doubt he will be a 10 year All-Pro. If he does then great. If he can make our offense respectable then I’ll be happy (especially for what he cost). I think Corral could be that guy. He needs a year to sit and learn the NFL speed and more complex offenses and Baker can allow that to happen while our offense gets clicking and ready for Corral next year. Let the new OL gel, Tremble and TMJ get some catches/experience which can lead to confidence. No offensive player was growing in the garbage we had last year.

[SazmoRanger]

26 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

We had Sam, PJ, and a 3rd round rookie who said himself he isn’t ready yet. So what would you option be aside from tanking this year and trying to get lucky in the next draft? 
Sam sucking and being our top option absolutely means we should have traded for Baker. Our staff’s job is to try to win as many games as possible and this trade helps them achieve that while Corral gets his feet wet. 

Also, this is the biggest problem with our staff. Making moves to win NOW instead of building for the future. Worst part is the wins haven’t done either. 

[ncstatekwi]

1 hour ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

[ForJimmy]

Just now, SazmoRanger said:

Also, this is the biggest problem with our staff. Making moves to win NOW instead of building for the future. Worst part is the wins haven’t done either. 

In the past absolutely. That is actually what made me happy about this trade. It was only a 2024 conditional 5th which should have very little impact on our future and no money is being pushed past this season. 

[mrcompletely11]

21 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Looking at the recent Super Bowl winners Rams, Bucs, Eagles, Chiefs, Broncos all established solid teams before acquiring their Super Bowl winning QBs. The Chiefs drafted theirs, but traded up to get him as they were already a playoff team with an average QB in Smith. Bucs and Rams had average to below average QB play and build solid teams around them before trading for or signing their guy. Eagles won as a team with a journeyman QB filling in for their drafted one. 
Even if he doesn’t win a Super Bowl, have a decent QB to run our offense and build up our team is a big next step from constantly drafting in the top 10. We become more attractive for vet QBs that may want to leave their team for whatever reason or we can trade up and get our rookie to insert in an offense that isn’t limp and dead. Corral could even be that guy. Rolling it back with Sam and PJ is just hoping for the draft to save us.

Goddamn dude.   Enough fluffing

[mrcompletely11]

5 minutes ago, SazmoRanger said:

Also, this is the biggest problem with our staff. Making moves to win NOW instead of building for the future. Worst part is the wins haven’t done either. 

100%  we have no plan

[ForJimmy]

22 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

That offense didn't beat us. Von Miller did. 

Just reading his name makes me sick.