Official Panthers at Commies GameDay Thread

[mrcompletely11]

11 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

I get it, everyone is always looking for an excuse to blame Rhule.  The coaching staff saw where Corral was and knew he was going to need more time.  They knew it when they had him 4th on the depth chart.  They knew it when they let PJ get more reps to judge the rest of the offensive players on.  If anything this just shows maybe the coaching staff was right on where Corral was and the huddle was wrong.  Nah, I'm sure the huddle knows more and if he had gotten more reps he would be the starter by now.. Corral isnt ready.  It's going to take time.  Everyone who saw the offense he came from in college knew that and that's ok.  Stop trying to spin everything into the coach's fault because you dont like him.  Corral just isnt ready yet.  That's why they traded for Mayfield.

So are you saying the staff knew Willis and Howell were more ready to play then corral but if we develop MC he will be better then both?  Because thats kindof what it feels like you are saying in a round a bout way.  If thats the case then I am not sure why we are trading draft capital for someone like that when in hindsight it appears we simply could have waited and drafted him

[Tbe]

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I dont think its that easy to simply "coach up" and develop them.  Just like your last post says its incredibly rare a guy past the top 40 (not sure why you picked 40) to hit.  If developing a qb was a thing more teams would be doing it as good franchise qbs are the rarest things on earth

 

For the most part you either have it or you dont.  This is in no way degrading Corral just saying in general.   Scott was there when Wilson came in and literally just took the starting job so who knows, or at least I would hope he knows what it looks like and if MC has it he needs to be turning the screws on Rhule

In theory it’s possible, but it requires real playing time. No coach is going to risk his job hoping a third rounder gets better by December.

[Tr3ach]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I dont think its that easy to simply "coach up" and develop them.  Just like your last post says its incredibly rare a guy past the top 40 (not sure why you picked 40) to hit.  If developing a qb was a thing more teams would be doing it as good franchise qbs are the rarest things on earth

 

For the most part you either have it or you dont.  This is in no way degrading Corral just saying in general.   Scott was there when Wilson came in and literally just took the starting job so who knows, or at least I would hope he knows what it looks like and if MC has it he needs to be turning the screws on Rhule

I agree with you completely for a change.  People want to scapegoat the performance entirely on coaching.  Some players could have all the reps and the best coaching staff in the league for development and most of your mid to late round draft picks still arent going to pan out.  Hopefully corral will but using this performance to hate on the coaches is a bit weird.  He needs time more than anything 

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5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

jake led a second half comeback in his first appearance.  Dude showed moxie from the get go

There are so many moving parts to this response and I will preface this by saying when Jake showed up and we went to the Superbowl.....yeah good times I remember them well. All that said, leading a comeback with a stacked o-line, a hell of a running game, and good to great wide recievers being the number 1QB is a lot different than being the number 4 QB, with JAG's and on the road. IJS....I respect Jake and always will for what he did, but come on mannnnn.....at least I agreed with you in part but I see Jake is a sore spot for you so I won't challenge the other parts  I referred to earlier that showed up early in his career that could be put into this which ultimately made him into "Shaky Jake" all that said...give the new kid a break, wait and see before you judge. 

[mrcompletely11]

10 minutes ago, frankw said:

Within that is a truth some won't want to face. So far Rivera is a better coach than Rhule and it isn't close.

damnit that hurts

[LinvilleGorge]

For those of us who were stuck watching the Commanders' broadcast, I took a peek at one of their forums just to see what they were saying about Howell and couldn't help but notice that they were bagging on their over the top homer announcer just as much as we were.

You KNOW it's bad when the hometown fans are annoyed by the level of homerism.

[Tr3ach]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

So are you saying the staff knew Willis and Howell were more ready to play then corral but if we develop MC he will be better then both?  Because thats kindof what it feels like you are saying in a round a bout way.  If thats the case then I am not sure why we are trading draft capital for someone like that when in hindsight it appears we simply could have waited and drafted him

No.  I think they believed Corral was better than Howell or they would have taken him instead.  I mostly believe they think he was better than willis as well but we will never know for sure since he went before.   I do think the coaching staff/gm can potentially miss on a pick but its impossible to tell one preseason game in.  It's weird how it was a fitterer pick after the draft when everyone loved it and now 1 preseason game in it was a Rhule pick though lol

[mrcompletely11]

6 minutes ago, Tbe said:

In theory it’s possible, but it requires real playing time. No coach is going to risk his job hoping a third rounder gets better by December.

thats where you are wrong.  Rhule had the contract and the goodwill to do something like this 3 years ago.  Instead the dumb motherfuger thought our roster was good enough to win and..........well you know the rest of the story.  Certain situations can be baked in for a guy to take his lumps but like you say they at least have to play to take said lumps. 

 

In short rhule had golden opportunity with his 7 year deal but like most things he totally fuged it up

Edited August 13, 2022 by mrcompletely11

[blahblah312]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

damnit that hurts

Truth always does, damn I miss Ron

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

No.  I think they believed Corral was better than Howell or they would have taken him instead.  I mostly believe they think he was better than willis as well but we will never know for sure since he went before.   I do think the coaching staff/gm can potentially miss on a pick but its impossible to tell one preseason game in.  It's weird how it was a fitterer pick after the draft when everyone loved it and now 1 preseason game in it was a Rhule pick though lol

it was a fitt pick but rhule is clearly mismanaging the situation.  I mean can anyone really debate that?

[poundaway]

1 hour ago, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

He did get that, pretty amazing feat since he had no part in any positive yardage.

Part of winning is staying out of your opponent's way as he self destructs.

Corral didn't turn the ball over.

[poundaway]

1 hour ago, L-TownCat said:

That was, fun.  Yeah. I had fun watching a Panthers game.

…is that allowed?

Maybe not here. 

But yes.  Yes it is.

[poundaway]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

our 1s dominated?  You sure you watched the right game?  We gave up like 4 pressures in the first 13 plays.  Our backups had no pass rush

Wentz had to wait until we put in the 2nd and third string to move the ball at all.

Sorry you can shlt on the win all you like, but there was a lot of good stuff today.

[frankw]

Just now, poundaway said:

Part of winning is staying out of your opponent's way as he self destructs.

This sounds like what our opponents were thinking last season against Matt Rhule's football team after week 3.