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[amcoolio]

Brady is just a better passing blocking LT than LG... I wonder when they'll just swap those two until Icky gets it. Running up the middle should be very good with Icky/Elf/Corbett

I think Derrick Brown is good, its just they don't have the right personnel and scheme around him

I'd love to see what better coaches can do for this team, it just seems they are woefully unprepared every game. McAdoo frankly looks worse than Brady. If we had just average offense, we'd be 2-0 right now.

[davos]

Awesome post.  Don't know where you get the time ha!

Something nitpicky that popped out is the line about YGM being too small for an NFL DE.  He may play too small, but by no way shape or form is his frame or size too small.  Even as 3DL 3-tech.  6'5 280 is fine.  His play though has been inconsistent even though he's one of our better run defenders (not saying much)  

[TheCasillas]

10 minutes ago, davos said:

Awesome post.  Don't know where you get the time ha!

Something nitpicky that popped out is the line about YGM being too small for an NFL DE.  He may play too small, but by no way shape or form is his frame or size too small.  Even as 3DL 3-tech.  6'5 280 is fine.  His play though has been inconsistent even though he's one of our better run defenders (not saying much)  

yeah i meant by the way he plays. He doesnt get low enough to engage, and tends to get stood back up. He isnt quick enough to get past the initial engagement, tends to get stuck there.  

[Jackie Lee]

4 minutes ago, amcoolio said:

Brady is just a better passing blocking LT than LG... I wonder when they'll just swap those two until Icky gets it. Running up the middle should be very good with Icky/Elf/Corbett

I think Derrick Brown is good, its just they don't have the right personnel and scheme around him

I'd love to see what better coaches can do for this team, it just seems they are woefully unprepared every game. McAdoo frankly looks worse than Brady. If we had just average offense, we'd be 2-0 right now.

Brown and McCall together looked like a good combo for the few snaps the got together in the 2nd half. Wonder if Nixon will get elevated

[Basbear]

4 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

Alright, here it is. I am not going to lie, this one was tough to sit through. Most of you called that. We just found ways to not take advantage of our opportunties. There was some missed calls by the refs, but not enough to say we couldn't have one this game due to them. I will post my TL:DR at the bottom.

 

I will try to answer any questions in this thread, it's wedding week for me so I wont be active on here as usual until Tuesday.

 

Offensive Breakdown

• Corbett showed good athleticism on some of the pulling run plays
• Brady got manhandled in the run game on a few plays. This goes back to the statement of him being more tactical than a mauler. Which should be accounted for in our run play design. This is going to fall on Campen and McAdoo to figure out
• I appreciate McAdoo calling DJ’s number on the jet sweep, and I do feel we need to run more plays like… but the execution of blocking was sub par. CMC went after a corner instead of the safety in the box, and Moton went after the safety in the box instead of the LBer on his outside shoulder. The play did have a chance if the blocking assignments were there.
• The Robby screen… first he shouldn't be the target on those plays.. Second he looks inside and takes his blockers… he gets a first down and no fumble… possibly a TD. The image below is after the defense recognized the playcall.. It was there
• Watching our oline against the exotic fronts that the Giants ran… has me concerned about Campen. At times it appeared as if we didn't even watch tape from the Titans game. 
• Our run blocking to the left… it appears to be a strength. Have to wonder what it would be like if we gave Foreman and CMC 10-15 carries each
• We have to stop with this RPO quick slant stuff
• Our screen play offense is the best i've seen in a long time for this franchise
• Baker still escaping the pocket too quickly, missed two easy passses to Shi and Robbie for 10+ yard gains
• Our offense feels like Baker spent more time with the TE group than the WR group. They know their hot reads and appear to be on the same page with Baker. Might have to give Kevin Gilbride credit here.
• I have counted 3 illegal contacts on the Giants in the first half… against Shi. So interesting that we saw this same thing last week as well
• Our first red zone play was a handoff for CMC, and looking at the film.. It should have been a TD. Corbett shortens his pull and chooses to double an end that is locked up by Ricci. If he goes three more yards to the outside, he hits the corner and CMC walks in the end zone
• Baker… you got to throw that…. Image below
• That Shi drop.. It does have a great chance of being a TD, if not down at 1. The play was designed to go to Shi. Which could be the issue for our offense. We should be scheming people like DJ
• I'm so frustrated we didn't attack the Giants corners more often..
• Ian is such a head scratching player, he will make amazing blocks one play and then completely whiff the next
• That DJ out route on 4th and 1… that needs to be scrapped.
• In the third we had a designed screen pay for Shi out of the slot, and if he waits.. A half of a second more he is going 20-30 yards. Shi was in over his head on Sunday. 
• We ran to the left a lot of on Sunday
• As the game wore on Corbett struggled in the running game. It is tough to watch, he just isnt a good pulling guard
• The 3rd and short where Shi was wide open for a TD. It’s not Baker’s fault, Shi actually starts his path upfield and then for some reason cuts it flat at the last second. Image below
• I can’t really understand how Baker goes through his progressions, but IMO his first read and only read in this play is DJ. Image below.
• I've been calling out a lot of players here, but I have to admit that I am definitely concerned with McAdoo’s route trees. It appeared a lot of our players just weren't open.
• Giants stole a TD from us.. Robby beat his man on a double move in the 4th quarter and the CB grabbed him down to the ground. This drive ended in a field goal. 
• On that same drive, Baker audible to a quick hit to CMC bc he thought he read blitz… look at Robbie on this play…. Image below
• The missed blocks by Moton where he let his man come through on the inside, appear to be miscommunications with Corbett. 
• Elfein had another good game. I dont think he is the weak link on the line anymore. 
• Baker on our final drive.. Missed Shi wide open off of a hot read. This one is tough to swallow. He has options and just doesnt get to them. The play ended with a late throw to CMC for a gain of 5 yards. Image below.
• The final drive before we handed it back to the giants … RA and DJ were doubled on the majority of the plays.
• Ickey ended that drive for us with a rookie mistake. Tough to watch because if he makes that block we have Ian deep middle of the field for a potential TD (NYG running cover 2) and Shi with an excellent whip route on the nickel back.

 

Player Spotlights

DJ Moore

• As much as I don't want to type this… we are seeing the lazy route running from DJ again.
• He was open, we just couldn't see him
• Lots of attention went to him from the secondary
• We just need to scheme the guy open, hate that we use him in a traditional fashion

Baker

• He has to lock onto CMC more often, he missed him open frequently.
• He doesn't trust the oline, its evident
• It feels like Baker can’t see his underneath and dump off targets
• He has one more week before I just think he isnt going to make it; he reads a tad bit faster than Darnold but nowhere near fast enough

Ickey

• When Ickey had his man on an island, there was no getting to the QB. Ickey’s first jump step stopped the speed rush from being there.
• He struggled. It seemed more mental than physical. He didn't do a good job of assessing his assignments preplay. This could have been a game plan approach, but some of the players T-Mo elected to block just didn't make sense. 
• Strength is his run blocking

 

 

Defensive Breakdown

• We attacked gaps and had steller gap control for the run defense. D Brown deserves a lot of credit here.
• Haynes was getting to the passer, but I counted multiple plays where he was held or hooked. Pretty disappointing that the refs missed these, one of these would have taken Giants out of field goal range. 
• The defense was tackling and swarming the first half. It was definitely an amped up team.
• A lot of holding on the Giants offensive line
• Easily one of the best Derrick Brown games to date. He absolutely destroys double teams this past sunday. The image below almost led to a sack… if it was Tom Bady or another pocket QB, it’s a sack. Image below.
• Interesting defensive schemes, we called a lot of “fake” man. Where we would act as if Luvu would pick up the RB, but then hand it over to the DE and then Luvu would blitz. I think this is way too extra for a QB like Daniel Jones. Not sure why we attempted to make it more complex than it should be.
• The team held true in the first half not falling for play action
• Henry Anderson is slow. Ha.
• A little confused to why Derrick Brown wasn't in the game on third downs 
• Bravion Roy showed some get up on the goaline down blowing past interior
• Common theme, our defense gets gassed quickly. I don't know if it is a stamina issue or if its just on the field for too long. 
• Luvu just appeared to the run schemes on Sunday, it was impressive to see how many gaps he jumped before the Giants o line could get setup
• Luvu multiple hurries on the day
• Neal seem to handle YGM without issue; the only player that Neal could handle
• As monstrous as Luvu was, you have to give credit to Brown for eating up blocks and creating those lanes for Luvu
• When Hartsfield was in the game, we brought Chinn up into the box; some disguise coverages with Chinn as well.
• Defense starts to cave into the play action in the second half. The giants continued to exploit it
• We had Shaq playing spy on Daniel Jones, but for some reason he was about 10 - 12 yards off of the LOS
• Got to give Shaq some credit, it appears he is going his legs beneath him. During the second half he was involved in what seemed to be every play when he was on the field
• Haynes was putting Neal to work
• McCall is a big boy
• It appears Snow is attempting to play Chinn as if he is a ball hawk, and as much as I love Chinn… I just don't think that is his niche
• Giants began to double team Brown pretty hard in the second half
• Snow adjusted in the 2nd half on Jones, and began to spy with Chinn… but he appeared to move away from that on the Giants last drive
• McCall was a culprit for the Giants TD scoring drive in the 4th. They began to eat us up on the ground bc he was often out of place or let the OL redirect him
• When Burns started to drop back in coverage we were running a 3-4 front. I dont know if this was due to being short a LB due to Brandon Smith’s injury or this was a scheme. It does feel weird though. It should be noted that Burns played well in that role.
• Dink and dunk, dink and dunk

 

Player Spotlights

Derrick Brown

• Penetration resemble of an elite DT this past Sunday
• Just watched a play where Brown took on a double team, pulled a spin move and put the center and the guard to the ground and clogged the hole for Barkley to get tackled for a loss by Luvu.
• First half we put Brown at DE, and it actually worked.. Neal couldn't stop Brown.

Brian Burns

• I don't know what we can do to help Brian with his angles, but they are a contributing factor to his missed tackles. I think he depends on his athleticism.
• If Burns gets a sack in the third quarter where the Giants score on their drive, we potentially don't lose the game. It ends that TD drive.
• Stayed at home on the potential blindside rollouts on giants run plays

Jaycee Horn

• His play recognition was solid on Sunday. He had two opportunities where if he takes a step sooner he has a pick.
• When we ran short cover 2 we brought Jaycee on the inside to cover middle zones. I thought that was worth noting.

Jeremy Chinn

• He played deep safety when the giants ran 3 WR on the field, seemed pre determined 
• Nothing really worth noting of Chinn, I think he is played out of position and the offenses know that.

CJ Henderson

• Nothing to report, but in a good way. Daniel Jones just avoided throwing in that direction
• In all honesty, he played a great game overall.

YGM

• Nothing to note in the first half. Not looking good for him
• Solid stop on a Daniel Jones scramble that could have gone for about 15 yards. YGM broke off of his block and once he grabbed Jones it was over
• YGM and the ground were friends on Sunday
• Just tool small to be a DE in the NFL

Robby Anderson screen

 

Derrick Brown pass rush double team 

Baker missed TD (2nd QTR)

 

Shi missed TD - running up field

...Then flattens route when Baker throws

Baker needs to read underneath

 

Another TD miss (4th Qtr)

Baker slow to get through his reads

 

Too Long Didnt Read:
 

• Baker is still struggling with getting the ball out fast to the open targets and he seems to leave the pocket too soon. A litte less than last week but still a behavior.
• Playcalling is tough on both sides of the ball. Appears we are playing players out of position(not sure if this is due to depth) and we are scheming the wrong players in our play designs
• We need to get Chinn back in the box. Teams are taking advantage of him when deep with short throws where he can't impact the play
• YGM needs bulk if he wants to be a quality DE
• Derrick Brown was a force this past Sunday. It was defintely missing in week 1, and if he picks up where he left off.... i dont think we will be targeting him as a bust anymore
• CJ Henderson and Jaycee Horn, solid games. Takeaway the Horn penalties and the future is bright there. Henderson didnt allow a completion from what I reviewed. 
• Elein, had a solid game again. Corbett is the concern ont he oline right now. 
• Our defensive play deisgns are just too exotic at times. We need to get back to simple. I think we are trying to compensate for the lack of pass rush but unless executed perfectly, these plays arent worth the rub.
• Lastly, I hate that I am about to say this.... I want to go back to a dink and dunk offense. We are just not built for this RPO and its not effective if you arent distraction or misdirecting the defense, which we did very little.

 

 

Let me knoiw if you have any questions 

 

 

Great stuff, I knew about Dbrown having his best game......man was that needed.

 

Not going to lie, I heard mid-3rd about giants CB being out and was like "why are they not attacking the replacements MOREEEE!!" just a waste....

 

thanks for bring football back on the huddle!

 

 

 

[TheSpecialJuan]

bravo 

[TheCasillas]

Crazy hearing rhule and baker talk about checking it down today at the pressers. Feels like what we are seeing in tape has some validity.

[Jackie Lee]

For anyone Brave/bored enough to sit through it, we got a Defensive breakdown this week

 

[Jackie Lee]

11 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Crazy hearing rhule and baker talk about checking it down today at the pressers. Feels like what we are seeing in tape has some validity.

Wasn't really paying attention, they mentioned they need a better check down game? I don't understand why they seem to passive aggressively communicate to the coordinators through press conferences. Rhule especially has a consistent record of that

[TheCasillas]

12 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Wasn't really paying attention, they mentioned they need a better check down game? I don't understand why they seem to passive aggressively communicate to the coordinators through press conferences. Rhule especially has a consistent record of that

So it was interesting, Rhule pointed out that Baker needed to get to his check downs and not always look for the big throw (in a more growth feedback way, not finger pointing). Person then brought it up during Baker's presser and Baker responded quickly that he did need to find his check downs, but it was his nature to look for the big throw. Acknowledged it has been a short coming for him the last 2 weeks. He said it's something he will need to work on against the Saints.

 

The most interesting part is Baker calling out our game has been great and we need to continue that, but the tone he had felt like he was trying to convince someone, and that potentially could have McAdoo. Totally reading between the lines here, and there is much more to validate my assumption, but the way Baker answered the question... he seemed to be sharing a message for someone not in that room. 

Edited September 21, 2022 by TheCasillas

[TheCasillas]

58 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

For anyone Brave/bored enough to sit through it, we got a Defensive breakdown this week

 

Im actually watching this and getting a second view... Hartsfield struggled mightily with his zone discipline. Might be time for him to ride the pine.

[Jackie Lee]

8 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Im actually watching this and getting a second view... Hartsfield struggled mightily with his zone discipline. Might be time for him to ride the pine.

Yeah I'm just seeing a lot of things I don't like with all the zone stuff. No one seems to know who should stick with who, handing guys off to air. I'd take coverage sacks over interceptions if it gets rid of all the dink and dunk check down stuff that shouldn't be wide open

[TheCasillas]

Jesus Snow.... get Chinn out of coverage. 

[Jackie Lee]

4 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Jesus Snow.... get Chinn out of coverage. 

I'm starting to miss Kenny Robinson, If they wanted a guy to stay single high and ball hawk he can do that. Chinn doesn't see the game like a free safety, he's probably thinking about what he'd be doing if he was in man or in the box