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6 minutes ago, stbugs said:

True and it will come down to picking a Josh Allen and not a Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield. It’s really that simple but draft position can’t always be fixed. In this draft, a QB needy team may not trade down or you might lose a ton of draft capital that we need.

Also, if you notice with my list, many of those guys barely played. Your list has several playoff QBs and a SB winner (albeit injured but was 11-2 and an MVP candidate before injury).

Almost all the QB’s I listed have a win percentage under .500 (which is why I look at them as busts, they weren’t franchise guys). The best win percentage was Trubisky of those QB’s and he’s barely over. Wentz could’ve been but the injury ruined him. Those QB’s were can’t miss, most pro ready for the most part QB’s that teams tanked for that didn’t elevate the franchises that they were with. 

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4 minutes ago, CmC2k said:

Jones has played good as a game manger this year. I don't think they'd be looking to upgrade unless a Top 10 QB suddenly became available 

Yeah that coaching staff has Jones functioning, if they like a guy they'll go for one. Levis or Hooker/some other guy who's not in the discussion yet could fall in their lap. 

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6 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Yeah that coaching staff has Jones functioning, if they like a guy they'll go for one. Levis or Hooker/some other guy who's not in the discussion yet could fall in their lap. 

Yep. Ironically, they're really regretting not picking up Jones' 5th year option right now even though at the time it was absolutely the right decision not to pick it up. Had they picked it up they could draft say a Richardson and not have to play him right away. Now they might be looking at a situation where they have to franchise Jones which will cost them a lot more than his 5th year option would've. They're crazy if they ink him to a long term deal. He's still a JAG.

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3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yep. Ironically, they're really regretting not picking up Jones' 5th year option right now even though at the time it was absolutely the right decision not to pick it up. Had they picked it up they could draft say a Richardson and not have to play him right away. Now they might be looking at a situation where they have to franchise Jones which will cost them a lot more than his 5th year option would've. They're crazy if they ink him to a long term deal. He's still a JAG.

Yeah the option would have been around $20M and the tag is probably $30M. He's realistic worth is a huge question mark. Lots of guys got overpaid the last 5 years so I see teams going more conservative with that type.

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2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Reality. We're terrible. We've been terrible for years. Winning a terrible division and getting our teeth kicked in by whichever team doesn't win the NFC East while costing ourselves 10 spots of draft position per round would honestly be the worst case scenario.

We lost to the Giants by 3 in NY back when we were under Rhule and had an awful Baker under center. That’s the team that’s supposedly gonna destroy us in the first round of the playoffs? The Panthers team that showed up last Sunday against the Bucs is night and day different from that team that lost by 3 to the Giants in Week 2. We just have to wait and see if that game was a fluke or if we might actually have made strides. 

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9 hours ago, stbugs said:

Or Jordan Love, Paxton Lynch, Johnny Manziel, Teddy B, Brandon Weeden, The Golden Calf of Bristol, Brady Quinn, Jason Campbell, JP Losman, Rex Grossman and Patrick Ramsey who are the other QBs selected in the 1st at 20+ in the past 20 years.

Man, Jason Campbell is a real 'I wonder' on this list. Dude had a differnet coach almost every year and was constantly shuffled, which while partly a product of his play also mad eit impossible for him to settle in anywhere. I'm not saying he would have been a star, but he showed some big flashes.

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