Harbaugh to Carolina Makes Too Much Sense...

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, Mike2.0 said:

In regard to the Vikings, they decide to go with the latest offensive guru from the Sean McVay tree. Some teams love to go for young offensively minded head coaches now rather retreads or defensive side of the ball coaches. Plus there’s probably a very good chance Harbaugh wanted more control than they were willing to give, whereas a first time head coach would not. 

I suspect teams have shied away from him due to the cost and the likelihood he’d want significant control in the front office. Also, as you rightly say, his tenure in San Francisco didn’t end well. So perhaps teams have been hesitant to bring him back to the NFL. Whatever the reason, if he returns it will certainly be interesting to see how it plays out.

I'd imagine the Vikings story might have embarrassed Harbaugh somewhat.

He basically walked into the building like he owned the place. Then when they said "thank you, no" he responded with "well, I didn't really want the job anyway".

That's kind of a "yikes" moment to me.

[top dawg]

8 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Go back and read about the way he left and was fired. There was a lot of disgruntled folks. The only reason they tolerated him was he won. The minute they struggled he was gone.  If he was so great why haven't folks been trying to get him and why did the Vikings interview him last year and not hire him. Again your logic is simplistic and somewhat uninformed. 

His NFL coaching record pretty much speaks for itself. I really don't know how you can argue that it wasn't damned good---better than most. Sometimes personalities clash. That doesn't mean the 49ers or Vikings were right (or wrong). 

[panthers55]

31 minutes ago, Mike2.0 said:

In regard to the Vikings, they decide to go with the latest offensive guru from the Sean McVay tree. Some teams love to go for young offensively minded head coaches now rather retreads or defensive side of the ball coaches. Plus there’s probably a very good chance Harbaugh wanted more control than they were willing to give, whereas a first time head coach would not. 

I suspect teams have shied away from him due to the cost and the likelihood he’d want significant control in the front office. Also, as you rightly say, his tenure in San Francisco didn’t end well. So perhaps teams have been hesitant to bring him back to the NFL. Whatever the reason, if he returns it will certainly be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

He is an interesting option and surely is a proven winner.  I think he has red flags but he may have explanations for all that happened. Given I won't be in his interview I have no clue how much of what he has been written is true or not. Plus maybe he has mellowed with age. It sometimes happens.

[panthers55]

16 minutes ago, top dawg said:

His NFL coaching record pretty much speaks for itself. I really don't know how you can argue that it wasn't damned good---better than most. Sometimes personalities clash. That doesn't mean the 49ers or Vikings were right (or wrong). 

No is arguing his NFL record, that is a given.  But there are red flags for sure that turned others off. Not sure what actually happened so it is hard to know. That is why we need to interview him and talk to other people about him.

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, rebelrouser said:

Power hungry owners and GM's make dumb decisions on coaching fires all the time. They went 7-25 during the next two coaching hires.  And if Harbaugh is such an ass, why don't Michigan players transfer out now that they are allowed to leave for any reason? 

You could say the same thing about Bobby Knight in basketball. He abused players verbally and physically. How many transferred over the years? Did that mean he wasn't an ass.? Not exactly a good barometer given college players want to make it to the NFL and their best chance is a winning program regardless of how they are being treated. It doesn't work that way in the NFL with grown men.

[raleigh-panther]

My feeling is if Fitterer stays, the HC will be Shane Waldron with Wilks as the dark horse 

Harbaugh will stay at Michigan 

just my thoughts 

[kungfoodude]

12 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Go back and read about the way he left and was fired. There was a lot of disgruntled folks. The only reason they tolerated him was he won. The minute they struggled he was gone.  If he was so great why haven't folks been trying to get him and why did the Vikings interview him last year and not hire him. Again your logic is simplistic and somewhat uninformed. 

Or maybe you just have no idea what you are talking about? It wouldn't be the first time. We both know that.

[kungfoodude]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'd imagine the Vikings story might have embarrassed Harbaugh somewhat.

He basically walked into the building like he owned the place. Then when they said "thank you, no" he responded with "well, I didn't really want the job anyway".

That's kind of a "yikes" moment to me.

That does fit the personality.

Admittedly, that is why I am not sure Tepper is gonna be the best fit. They both seem to have some pretty massive egos. That sounds like a lot of clashes waiting to happen.

He is obviously the best coach but the personality conflict element with our specific owner could be an issue. 

[Mr. Scot]

8 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

That does fit the personality.

Admittedly, that is why I am not sure Tepper is gonna be the best fit. They both seem to have some pretty massive egos. That sounds like a lot of clashes waiting to happen.

He is obviously the best coach but the personality conflict element with our specific owner could be an issue. 

The latest from LaCanfora...

It’s still most likely, in the estimation of executives and coaching agents I’ve contacted, that he remains in Ann Arbor, where his previous dalliance with the Minnesota Vikings — and College Football Playoff appearance — earned him a reworked contract a year ago. He backed that up with another playoff appearance this season before his Wolverines were upset by TCU on New Year’s Eve. Brace yourself for breathless report after breathless report about what he’s thinking and where he’s going — Harbaugh was mentioned in this space last week as part of the coming onslaught of Denver Broncos rumors — but one opportunity is likely to stand out.

Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay’s quirky, doomed-from-the-start experiment — seeing if a former player turned middling high school coach turned broadcaster could come in cold off his couch midseason and replace a beloved coach on a team without a viable starting quarterback — has gone as expected. Jeff Saturday has been a disaster, the Colts are now a laughingstock among their peers, and it’s difficult even to start to explain how an NFL team could go from allowing 33 points in the fourth quarter one week to blowing a 33-point lead the following week to going 0 for 10 on third down while amassing 173 yards in a (20-3) prime-time home defeat the following week to being down 31-3 early in the third quarter Sunday, the final act of an abysmal four-week stretch. But by golly, the Colts have pulled it off!

That is the fruit born of Irsay’s brainchild. And he has alienated a good bit of the coaching community in the process, a result served back to him by opposing staffs gleefully running up the score whenever possible amid this six-game losing streak. He needs an established, accomplished NFL coach to attempt to dig out of this hole, and his old buddy (and former starting quarterback) Harbaugh could fit the bill. “Captain Comeback,” coming back to Indianapolis?

“There or nowhere,” said one NFL coaching agent, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because speaking freely about the market could compromise his clients’ opportunities. “Harbaugh is almost impossible to deal with and wears you out, and Irsay is out to lunch. He can’t get [top coaches] to take him seriously, but these two are a match. That’s the best [Irsay] can do, and Harbaugh thought he had the Minnesota job a year ago and lost out to a guy who never coached before” in Kevin O’Connell.

Another coaching agent agreed that Irsay landing Harbaugh might be the best way to try to win back a fan base and local media corps he has alienated. One general manager, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is precluded from speaking about other teams’ front offices, said: “In a weird way, they were kind of made for each other.” It would be quite a combination, for however long it lasted, should it come to pass.

 

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The latest from LaCanfora...

It’s still most likely, in the estimation of executives and coaching agents I’ve contacted, that he remains in Ann Arbor, where his previous dalliance with the Minnesota Vikings — and College Football Playoff appearance — earned him a reworked contract a year ago. He backed that up with another playoff appearance this season before his Wolverines were upset by TCU on New Year’s Eve. Brace yourself for breathless report after breathless report about what he’s thinking and where he’s going — Harbaugh was mentioned in this space last week as part of the coming onslaught of Denver Broncos rumors — but one opportunity is likely to stand out.

Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay’s quirky, doomed-from-the-start experiment — seeing if a former player turned middling high school coach turned broadcaster could come in cold off his couch midseason and replace a beloved coach on a team without a viable starting quarterback — has gone as expected. Jeff Saturday has been a disaster, the Colts are now a laughingstock among their peers, and it’s difficult even to start to explain how an NFL team could go from allowing 33 points in the fourth quarter one week to blowing a 33-point lead the following week to going 0 for 10 on third down while amassing 173 yards in a (20-3) prime-time home defeat the following week to being down 31-3 early in the third quarter Sunday, the final act of an abysmal four-week stretch. But by golly, the Colts have pulled it off!

That is the fruit born of Irsay’s brainchild. And he has alienated a good bit of the coaching community in the process, a result served back to him by opposing staffs gleefully running up the score whenever possible amid this six-game losing streak. He needs an established, accomplished NFL coach to attempt to dig out of this hole, and his old buddy (and former starting quarterback) Harbaugh could fit the bill. “Captain Comeback,” coming back to Indianapolis?

“There or nowhere,” said one NFL coaching agent, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because speaking freely about the market could compromise his clients’ opportunities. “Harbaugh is almost impossible to deal with and wears you out, and Irsay is out to lunch. He can’t get [top coaches] to take him seriously, but these two are a match. That’s the best [Irsay] can do, and Harbaugh thought he had the Minnesota job a year ago and lost out to a guy who never coached before” in Kevin O’Connell.

Another coaching agent agreed that Irsay landing Harbaugh might be the best way to try to win back a fan base and local media corps he has alienated. One general manager, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is precluded from speaking about other teams’ front offices, said: “In a weird way, they were kind of made for each other.” It would be quite a combination, for however long it lasted, should it come to pass.

 

He does sound like a profoundly strange dude.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

He does sound like a profoundly strange dude.

You're not the first to describe him that way.

Although Harbaugh is obviously talented as a coach, "impossible to deal with and wears you out" would concern me...a lot.

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

You're not the first to describe him that way.

Although Harbaugh is obviously talented as a coach, "impossible to deal with and wears you out" would concern me...a lot.

Hence why I said 5-6 years max.

Honestly, let him be a pain in the ass if he is winning here. Restore some respectability and make this a good spot for the next coach. Hopefully tack on some division titles and maybe SB appearances.

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Hence why I said 5-6 years max.

Honestly, let him be a pain in the ass if he is winning here. Restore some respectability and make this a good spot for the next coach. Hopefully tack on some division titles and maybe SB appearances.

I get the argument. I just don't know if I can agree.

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I get the argument. I just don't know if I can agree.

It's probably a better plan than what we will actually end up doing.

I care about winning, not the organization putting up with a weird egomaniac. We have had plenty of nice guy coaches that subjected the fans to plenty of frustration and angst. Let the organization deal with some frustation and angst so we can enjoy some winning.